you can't believe how much fun was for me doing this research. I decided to do it, at beginning, because I was looking for a way to move safely packers in Trench of Trial, thru Bounty Beaches. Mainly I hate teleporting all the time to level my bad PR foraging skill. Bounty Beach is a nasty place, so would be really helpful having a tribe camp there to rest my bones and feed my animal. I soon discovered that the only tribe that could be useful, the Slavers, are a nasty bunch of evil homins that hate us, poor friendly trykers...
Having -67 fame with them I decided to discover how to increase it so I can use the camp safety but, as often happens in this strange planet, I found myself soon doing a whole research on all the tribes living here.
Most of them were already landmarked on my map, the few I missed I used BM site for the position (I normally never use spoilers, but I will need a lot of timework for this research so I decided to do. Anyway, only 6 tribes were missed in my map).
The research took me about 4 atysian months to complete and now I want to share with you my results, because would be nice to see the research done by a kamist and a neutral and other races, to compare the different results about current/max fame.
My starting setup:
I am tryker, karavan aligned and stateless. Before, I have done only Corporal and Karavan missions (in towns). Unfortunately, I never wrote on paper the fame gained/lost from Corporals, so my actual fame can be a little different from the default. In the past I have done missions only for Corsair, Silt Sculptors and Green Seed, but this happened before the fame system was patched in game, so I think they didn't affected my fame at all.
I have done 1 mission from the Tribe Welcomer of each tribe, choosing between a "reconaissance" mission and a "hunt carnivores" mission. I never choosen a 'kill bandits' mission as I don't want to gain/lost too much fame, expecially when I had to do missions for kami aligned tribes
. Anyway I have seen that most of the tribe fame gained was at least 1 point, the same was for race fame, while my karavan fame never moved from the actual value (don't know if it is because of the fractioned value or just because it is bugged).I found also 2 bugged Tribe Welcomers, i ticketed when found the first, didn't ticketed for the second, but csr told me that developers are aware of the problems into the fame system.
My initial fame ( i don't write here the tribe fame, as you can easily find it in the following table, subtracting 1 point):
All races: 50/50
Karavan: 92/100
Kami: -62/-50
Here is the full fame table (highlight the text to read):
(if you don't want spoilers and go to research by yourself, don't highlight the text to read it)
Fields with '!' means I was not able to get missions from the Tribe Welcomer.
In parenthesis there is the name as it appeared in my fame window, different from the effective name.
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# HOMINS TRIBES
# KARAVAN Gain Fame Lose Fame CUR MAX
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1 Antikamis Karavan Kami, Zorai -20 +100
2 Barkers Karavan Kami -32 +100
3 Black Circle Karavan Kami -15 +100
4 Chlorogoos Karavan Kami -65 +50 (x)
5 Darkening Sap ! ! -66 +100
6 Firebrands Karavan Kami -15 +50
7 Goo Heads Karavan Kami, Zorai -20 +100
8 Green Seed Karavan,
Matis,
Tryker Kami +42 +100
9 Kitin Gatherers Karavan Kami +17 +100
10 Lawless ! ! -67 +100
11 Master Of The Goo Karavan Kami, Zorai +13 +100
12 Matisian Border Guards Karavan Kami, First Deserters -27 +100
13 Night Turners Karavan Kami +1 +50
14 Oasis Diggers Karavan, Fyros Kami +37 +100
15 Renegades Karavan Kami, Fyros +13 +100
16 Root Tappers Karavan,
Fyros,
Tryker Kami +50 +50
17 Sap Slaves Karavan, Matis Kami, Ancient Dryads -9 +100
18 Scorchers Karavan Kami, Fyros, Fraiders +13 +50
19 Silt Sculptors Karavan, Tryker Kami +39 +100
20 Slavers ! ! -67 +50
21 Smugglers Karavan Kami +1 +100
22 The Arid Matis Karavan, Matis Kami, Woven Bridles -22 +50
23 The Kuild Karavan, Matis Kami,
The Company of Eternal Tree,
Recoverers +36 +100
24 The Slash And Burn Karavan Kami, Matis -50 +100 (*)
# KAMI Gain Fame Lose Fame CUR MAX
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1 Ancient Dryads ! ! -69 -50
2 Beachcombers Kami Karavan +30 +30
3 Cockroaches Kami Karavan -50 -50
4 Company of the
Eternal Tree Kami, Zorai Karavan, Kuild -50 -50 (*)
5 Corsairs Kami, Tryker Karavan +49 +50
6 Dune Riders Kami Karavan -32 +50
7 Ecowarriors Kami, Zorai,
Tryker Karavan -50 -50
8 First Deserter Kami Karavan, Matis,
Matisian Border Guards -51 +50 (*)
9 Frahar Hunters Kami, Fyros Karavan +30 +30
10 Hamazans Of The
Dead Seed Kami Karavan -16 +30
11 Icon Worshippers Kami, Zorai Karavan -5 +50
12 Keepers Kami Karavan +17 +30
13 Lagoon Brothers ! ! -72 +30
14 Leviers Kami, Fyros Karavan -48 +30
15 Pyromancers Kami, Fyros Karavan -11 +30
16 Recoverers Kami Karavan, Kuild -50 -50
17 Sacred Sap Kami, Zorai Karavan, Matis -50 -50
18 Sap Gleaners Kami Karavan -66 -50 (x)
19 Shadow Runners Kami, Tryker Karavan +30 +30
20 Siblings of the Weeds Kami, Zorai Karavan +1 +30
21 Tutors Kami, Zorai Karavan -64 -50
22 Watchers (Restorers) Kami, Fyros Karavan -28 +30
23 Water Breakers Kami, Fyros Karavan -44 +30
24 Woven Bridles ! ! -68 +50
# PRIMITIVES TRIBES Gain Fame Lose Fame CUR MAX
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1 Cuzans (Cute) Karavan Kami, Lagoon Brothers +1 +50 (**)
2 Fraiders (Frahar) Karavan Kami, Scorchers -33 +75 (**)
3 Gibads (Gibbay) Kami Karavan -15 +50 (**)
(x) Strangely, after the mission i can see the tribe listed, but it shows -66 fame,
this means i had -67 before the mission.
Why the Tribe Welcomer gave me a mission? This sounds a bug.
(*) These tribes attack me also if i have a fame higher than -65.
I was able to get a mission tho, but it's up to you to discover how i got them.
(**) They have no sign of a faction into camp, but 2 give positive fame
with Karavan and 1 with Kami, also 2 of them are enemies of a tribe
present in the same region, regardless of the faction.
# CITIZENS (*) Gain Fame Lose Fame
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Fyros Fyros Lawless
Frahars Hunters Renegades
Leviers Scorchers
Oasis Diggers
Pyromances
Watchers
Root Tappers
Water Breakers
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Matis Matis Ancient Dryads
Darkening Sap First Deserters
Green Seed Sacred Sap
Sap Slaves The Slash and Burn
The Arid Matis Woven Bridles
Kuild
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Zorai Zorai Antikamis
The Company of Darkening Sap
Eternal Tree Goo Heads
Ecowarriors Master of the Goo
Icon Worshippers
Sacred Sap
Siblings of the Weeds
Tutors
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Tryker Tryker Lagoon Brother
Corsairs Slavers
Ecowarriors
Green Seed
Root Tappers
Shadow Runners
Silt Sculptors
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(*) I have done one mission from some city welcomer, captain, corporal and
ambassador. It seems to me that everyone gives the same fame related to
their race, so i assume all the NPC in towns gives the same fame.
'Same fame' means, here, the same kind of gain/lost fame relations
with tribes, not the fame values.
Furthermore, karavan welcomer at altars give only karavan fame,
i suppose the same is for the kami side.
But, finally, I discovered what I was looking for at beginning:
factions into tribe camps :) give me the fame needed.
The requirement is '0' fame with the faction so, at least a small advantage
to neutrals is here (very small, i admit) as they could work with all tribes,
if they want to.
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I will work in the future to remove the '!', but anyone that can fill them is welcomed.
Final note:
Seems to me that tribe fame is not faction related.
For ppl that, sure, will tell me that there is a matrix in ryzom.raum, I just point that it is not complete and not easy to read (and, as i said, i had a lot of fun doing this).
I don't know if the rule 'less than -65' should be the only one for the KoS behaviour, but some tribe KoS also with a higher fame, probably because of something related to the Lore. Also I don't know if they stop KoS if you get 0 or higher fame (i have to try it) but i suppose they should do. For sure the system have some bug and I hope the developers will work to fix them. Tribe Camps are very useful.
I hope you appreciated this job and would be really nice to see any addiction to it, expecially from homins with different starting fame (and relationship).
