Celebrations ?

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Celebrations ?

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//OOC\\ I notice our RP'ing lacks lore related celebrations. We've had elections, speeches from important personalities, a faction war, a pact (that didnt go well for a particular tryker :D ), but no celebrations not even a birthday. Surely events such as the Fire of Coriolis, the Exodus, a few memorable battles, maybe even heroes and such have the merit to be remembered and celebrated. By using the Jena calendar we could figure out which time and day and then organise these celebrations regularly. A help from the event team would be much appreciated. Doesn't have to be anything big. Just a speech from every country's ruler, and maybe some sort of activity. You guys know the lore. So, what can a homin celebrate and how ?

any thoughts ? //OOC\\
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[ The Festival of Light is a huge celebration, and has occurred twice so far. Riv, when's the next? ]
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the festival of light is celebrating Jena i heard... im talking about celebrations any homin can celebrate regardless of religion.
Although I must say it is a cool thing to do Riveit :)
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meloner wrote://OOC\\ You guys know the lore. So, what can a homin celebrate and how ?

any thoughts ? //OOC\\
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I would think that all homins would want to celebrate their survival of the Great Swarming and their arrival in these newfound lands from the following Exodus.

The Festival of Light is a Karavaneer celebration of Jena defeating the Dragon and saving homins. I envisioned it as a sort of Karavan Mardi Gras though, not really exclusive to Karavaneers. One can find many other events in the lore for each religion and each race to celebrate. Even Trytonists could celebrate Elias Tryton making the rainbows. :)

sehracii wrote:[ The Festival of Light is a huge celebration, and has occurred twice so far. Riv, when's the next? ]
Let me do my taxes first. :p
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riveit wrote:OOC:
I would think that all homins would want to celebrate their survival of the Great Swarming and their arrival in these newfound lands from the following Exodus.
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If I remember it correctly that's what the Trykers celebrate at Thanksgiving Day; Jena returning the Light to her people when they resurface after the Great Swarming. It seems entirely possible that other cultures have their own customs tailored to their own interpretations and influences on the Exodus.
riveit wrote: One can find many other events in the lore for each religion and each race to celebrate. Even Trytonists could celebrate Elias Tryton making the rainbows. :)
/OOC: You' d wonder how come that ain't the case really. There's indeed those important events in Atys' history, but little depth to the cultures and religions itself, even though the game would lend itself greatly to it. Little notions of obscure rituals ingame would have gone a long way already. Official events could then make them feel truely present, and we'd have living cultures too and not just the ecosystems.

There's at least some persistant representation of Karavanism (yes, I'm deliberatly not using Jenaïsm as it seems a pretty much overlooked and seperate facet ingame of the relations between the Karavan and Jena) and Kamism ingame, most notably the Mabreka spin on it and sadly nothing on the Fung-Tun take.
Given the major role these two religions play for now you'd expect to have a lot more information.

Ingame you can hardly find anything as of yet on the nations and their traditions that makes it feel a persistant culture, except for the pop quiz when you apply for citizenship. (But even then you have to look it up on the webpage if you didn't read enough of the lore) The only exceptions so far have been the odd event where a prominent figure pops out, weddings and the few funerals.

Wildcard Tryton, well I guess that's a case on it's own. Despite his undisputable presence in history, Tryker mythology and Karavan lore, very little is actually known. The events concerning him lead to believe that he would evolve over time, mostly hidden from the public, waiting for a time to strike and make his presence known to all. Untill then he seems destined to be the most obscure element of the lore and quickly forgotten, as most if not all players who knew that little more about him have by now left Atys or just given up due to various reasons; lack of real information, lack of meaning, lack of presence and catering to. Which makes me wonder if and how GF will 'ressurect' him if he does indeed need to be the catalyst of the story as he has before.

All in all I hope GF could adress some of these issues when things seem to be running more smoothly for them on the developping front, as I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in wanting that little bit more meaning, flavor and 'culture' ingame.

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/ooc: Aye! I agree completely Calel. More lore, more religion, more culture, more depth, more meaning!

As it is now, players wanting more of this are forced to ´make up´ their own take on things (for instance funeral rites :) ). And while this to a great extent is good and fine you do risk inconsistensies when these things arent backed up by official lore.

While I can see that technical difficulties and programming priorities may postpone the encyclopedia quests indefinitely, I fail to see the obstacles to hiring one or two skilled writers to further flesh out the cultures and religion on Atys and post that info on the website. Honestly GF how hard can it be? ;)
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I we are going to have Ryzom holidays, we have to get the devs to impliment in-game dates, that way we can keep track of things.
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japamala wrote:I we are going to have Ryzom holidays, we have to get the devs to impliment in-game dates, that way we can keep track of things.
//OOC\\ a calendar in the map window would be nice :) //OOC\\
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japamala wrote:I we are going to have Ryzom holidays, we have to get the devs to impliment in-game dates, that way we can keep track of things.
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It would be great to have the date in-game! Also, it just occurred to me that a New Jena Year celebration would be a great holiday for all homins. Unless Kamists don't recognize Jena years and have a mysterious double lunar Ma-duk year instead. :)

One would still need to adjust the times that Celebrations occur to a real world calendar. Just because the Jena Year starts at Tuesday at 3:00 AM doesn't meet that homins would show up then to celebrate. :p
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I think it's something of a universal measurement for all governments at least as they all have come into contact with the Karavan. Various economic and political factors on top of that would make it a need. Ofcourse that doesn't mean different religions can't have slight derivations and different cultures would no doubt have a sort of diversified calendar to commemorate their own heritage. But for the sake of simplicity and not wanting to start calculating what day a Zoraï Friday equates to in both Matis and Tryker calendars, I'd say we can assume it's a universal time measurement.

The New Year thing: just remember with Jena being related to as the Sun, the Light, that solistice and equinox may be very important opposed to what we, or at least the majority of us, as Westerners see as important dates with our Gregorian calendar.

And Riveit; you may want to turn the Festival of Light into a bimonthly thing if it is supossed to take place every Jena year. :p
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