Community, what community?

[ashling]

Kinda ironic that a post asking are we all really happy about how the community is going turns into the same old same old arguements between the PvPer factions.

[mrshad]

So the earner does not earn the right to redistribute the produce?

With a community OP, there is no earner.

The OP is supposed to be considered out of play, so there is no risk.

There is no one responsible for its defense should it come under attack.

No one has to organize and maintaining an alliance of guilds to be prepared for an attack.

There will be no early morning attacks designed simply to pester and annoy.

There will be no posting and cross posting to battle times and meeting points.

The only effort that goes into earning the mats from a community OP is an uncontested 5 round fight against low-level NPCs, and the task of distributing the goods.

The only way it can be really 'earned' by the community, is if the community stands up and defends it against a serious attack.

I simply don't think that will happen. If a community OP comes under attack, I think the most effort that will go into defending it will be here on the forums.

I hope I am wrong about that.

[dakhound]

hate breeds hate etc etc, both sides have been guilty rushin

I have alot of kami friends who know where I'm really coming from and it sometimes surprises me the level of aggression I get (I dont exactly cut a nice figure either). I believe the months of accusation, counter accusations, pvp threads etc have increased the gulf between the 2 factions and that bridges cannot be built.

I must admit I enjoy conflict in a rather perverse way though and often find myself encouraging it. Nothing quite like a bit of feeling fuelled fighting what gets my heart pumping

[ashling]

hate breeds hate etc etc, both sides have been guilty rushin

I have alot of kami friends who know where I'm really coming from and it sometimes surprises me the level of aggression I get (I dont exactly cut a nice figure either). I believe the months of accusation, counter accusations, pvp threads etc have increased the gulf between the 2 factions and that bridges cannot be built.

That part I'd agree with. Actual hate seems to have set in on both sides.

[kyesmith]

we can argue untill we go blue (pun really not intended) the fact of the matter is the karavan have gone about OPs a completly different way to the kamis, kami's arnt doing so well for many reasons, we dont want to be told what to do by a few "leaders" within the kami (the way i think it should be) we dont spam recruit everyone who comes into FH, zora, ykr and pyr thats our own choice, ive spoken alot to kami's about this, the karavan have a massive support from lower lvl players, not alot to be said about it. At the end of the day we have gone about ops completly differently, we never looked at it as something to "win" never have we wanted to own all the OPs, just wanting to give our newer players the best possible start in ryzom.
cats and op mats dont intrest me in the slightist, ive got nearly everything i want to lvl 250 and done so 99% of the time without cats, i help organise attacks and take part to give kami's a leg up
I have no issue with the karavan for doing what they have done, which is do their best to win, i have a problem with arogence and gloating. In game i do my best to be a pain in the butt to the karavan, im kami what do you expect people take this totally the wrong the way, on a daily basis i get abusive tells, ive been killed by agro dragging, had 2 packers in void killed by this, im not going to name names or go moan to the CSR i just put them on ignore and get on with it. Both sides are guilty of alot of things but i can honestly say the once famous "ryzom community" has gone down hill alot. I find myself playing ryzom cos i like a select few people and enjoy the grind, not so long ago i could say sooo much more i loved about ryzom

Got alot to talk about next pod cost under forum action this time Beau

[ajsuk]

That part I'd agree with. Actualy hate seems to have set in on both sides.

Personally I feel I'm quite capable of getting on with people from both sides, I know I used to and I still do with a few though unfortunatly the list is getting ever shorter.

What I can't stand is people whining for change/"balance"/exploits simply becaues they can't be bothered to put the effort in to playing the game as designed.

OPs are PvP content, be prepared to PvP for their produce or don't particiapte and go without. Otherwise they might as well just increase the sodding xp accross the board, save any effort at all.

It's up to the Devs now imo. Time to remove the third button on outposts.
If OP owner = Kami & your fact = Kara - Attack possible
If OP owner = Kami & your fact = Kami - Attack impossible
If OP owner = Kara and your fact = Kami - Attack possible
If OP owner = Kara and your fact = Kara - Attack impossible

If Neutral - Go take a running jump...

Oh, and add a trade option.
(again, something I suggested long ago)

[ashling]

Edited to remove the question to Jayce. It wasn't anything bad but it's getting into a discussion of outpost implementation which is a bit off topic for this thread.

[forever]

Well how about a challenge 20 of your best pvpers, against 20 off mine! We'll see who is the better organised!

This leaves Homins out of the fun and makes them feel bad if they where not picked.

Also how will you keep others from running in and helping if they don't know whats going on.

[ashling]

This leaves Homins out of the fun and makes them feel bad if they where not picked.

I don't think that was meant as a mechanism for outpost battles this time and was just a challenge to a fight.

[ajsuk]

I don't see how removing a persons option to disagree with other people in their faction helps any. That seems more along the line of further breaking the community down along faction lines as enemies and making the game as black and white as possible.

Whats there to disagree about? The factions are at war.
The situation shouldn't of been able to get like this, we need an official statement on it and it to be dealt with quickly to avoid further disapointment in the faction system (or lack of) for newcomers, nevermind those from long ago.