Killing (ganking) in the PR

[aude03]

How do you allies feel over this issue? Do they want the KA to start killing them while digging in PR in retaliation?

Hihi....do you really want an answer or was it just to give a high dramatical ton ?

[riveit]

Hihi....do you really want an answer or was it just to give a high dramatical ton ?

Actually I do. I don't go into LoU very often and don't know how things are going there. I heard that Nexus led a war on KA diggers in December. Is that still going on or is it a truce now? Is it just Biskisbis and Piirihuone killing KA diggers all day? Does the KA retaliate on your low level diggers? I know Kimmerin does on occasion.

I would find it strange if Kamists like Sheenathecat and Lathaniel, who were such vocal opponents of killing pr diggers, would approve of these tactics.


P.S. I do consider supernodes to be fair game in the 'war'. Obviously supernodes are strategic resources and only level 240+ pr diggers should be digging them anyway. I think that killing low level pr diggers is a separate issue.

[haennah]

I've never been a fan of diggers getting killed in PR and I don't take part in it myself.

That said, Kimmerin has killed me and I don't mind at all. I'm a Kami after all and admit as such. The only time I was ever upset but someone killing a digger was when it was kami on kami or kara on kara type kills. I think faction alignment should mean something.

Of course we have then had the argument about LoU being guild vs. guild. So it really boils down to being a matter of taste.

[great83]

You consider this game to be nothing but a WAR. I disagree. This game is many different things to many different people. The digger that you are killing may never participate in pvp. They may simply want to craft a supreme item because they enjoy figuring out crafting. Maybe they need white mats for a wedding dress. Maybe they are filling a crafting order for a black suit of HA for a Kamist friend or nice jewelry for a cute Kamist Trykerette.

If you believe i see this game to be nothing but a war then you are wrong and truly dont know me at all (which is true sense neither one of us has taken the time to talk to each other). but in my eyes LoU is a war zone, and if someone doesnt want to participate in PvP at all then they shouldnt join a guild that PvPs at all. I do not and will not target random people in LoU, i only kill people that belong to a guild that is part of the KA, doesnt matter if i see them coming to OP battles or not as long as i still believe a certain guild is KA i will target their members in LoU. So fair warning to all newbies that are looking for a guild and dont want to participate in any PvP at all.

In AA, we have always considered it a booting offense to "gank" an innocent digger. Perhaps that policy may be change since many of our own low level diggers have been killed up to 10 times a day by you and your allies in the last few months.

Hmm can always come and defend them, when i have targeted them in the past i was alone or with one person... how many people does it take to come and kill me and piirihuone?

I don't completely condemn your position; you are playing your role as you see it, providing pvp or rp content for some players - while at the same time restricting pve content to other players that want it.

At the end of the day to be honest i dont care if you as a person condemn me or praise me, but please dont judge me when you have no right to (i have no right to judge anyone else in this game or in the world). You saying i am restricting PvE content to other players, something i dont believe to be true. We all as players and humans make choices, and all choices we make have a reaction. If you belong to a guild that is involved in the KA, you will be targeted by me. At this point in time i have a mental list of guilds that i see being KA, the only way that list will change is a guild leader coming on these forums and denouncing his/her guild involvement with the KA and staying true to the words he/she would have posted.

One last question: Are you also an in-game extortionist? Do you still demand that KA diggers give you a portion of their sup mats in return for not being killed in PR? What do people think of that policy?

It was a attempt to involve others in RP that i follow as well as give a warning to the person i was targeting... but oh ya PvPers dont roleplay at all and give warnings so it couldnt of been that.

[putterix]

I cant understand anything of this bu**sh**.

Enter a PvP area at own risk,period.

There are pr areas to dig in that doesnt have PvP (yes,i been in them)

Supreme mats and Supernodes should be hard to get and fought over,period.

I dont care if you call it RP or not, but in PvP areas all homins should expect to die or otherwise they dont belong there.

[riveit]

Hmm can always come and defend them, when i have targeted them in the past i was alone or with one person... how many people does it take to come and kill me and piirihuone?

Three was sufficient when I killed you. Regarding the fun game of guarding diggers, I refer you to Sehraci's comments.

but please dont judge me when you have no right to

I was talking about judging your policies.

[jamela]

Whilst I don't think that there is really much need for it, because Ryzom players on the whole are remarkably respectful of one another, is there a chance that we could make an informal agreement to allow some safe passage through certain areas?

sometimes you need to enter PvP zone even when you dont want to.

2 cases:
one to trek between zora and tryker (yes, can go around, but is it really an option ? takes 3 hours vs ~10min in ToT)

second is nexus. 2 neutral teleports there for.. wait for it... non pvp pr digging regions. oops
while Abys could be trekable from matis side (neutral tp there too), but wastelands ? 90% mortality. while dp does not matter much, it does for pr diggers who still digs for xp.

so, if you see digger/group, make sure he/she does not run to non-pvp zone . there is no exuse of killing non-pvp'er in these 2 situations. none.
like i said, pvp zone is forced on them by devs not thinking clear.

I think the first case that blaah mentioned is the most critical, because it involves the freedom of newcomers to travel to new lands and to see for themselves the wonderful variety of life on Atys. That's also an opportunity to impress upon them the strength of the community spirit that all of us refugees do have here. Don't we? I mean, the opportunity to cross a very hazardous area like the Trench of Trials, with warning signs on entry, unmolested because we all would like to make new people feel very welcome.

[mithur]

How hard is it to understand ur moving thru a PVP zone? He had full right to 'gank' u.... U know ur moving thru it.... or u dont get the same message as me when u enter it?


If u cant handle the heat, stay out the kitchen.

You are the most reiterative poster I've ever seen

I wasn't complaining. I was just making the point about that mobs aren't worst than gankers. A good digger (Or someone like me, used to trek) can sneak the mobs, but can't sneak a ganker.

But, just a remark for you: There are a lot of things that can be done by rules, but are bad for almost everyone, like phantom OP declarations and such things. Ryzon is about freedom, so people sometimes can do "bad" things. And other people can say that this things are bad in his point of view. And both are in their rigth: the first can do it, and the second can complaint, no for a CSR or something forbidden it, but just because he thinks that is bad, and want to say it.

[tr808]

Sorry but post read away like ur where whining at some1 who killed while u where trying to go thru Nexus... a clear PVP zone. Sorry if i misread it, u seem to take a lot offence, quoting it 5 pages later.

[jamela]

That's your reading, for which I have some comment: firstly it's only 3 pages later, secondly, it's less than 12 hours later, which is comparable to my workday, and third, I saw no whining or offense whatsoever in Mithur's post.

Now, take any argument you have to Personal Messaging with me or Mithur or whoever else, if it is about something so specific, please. (Which I have already begun.)