For the same amount of work (ie nothing; 30 fame) Neutrals get equal/more TPs (neutrals 36, kara 31, kami 30). Factioned players don't get 250 and PR for free. We lost city access, 250 access, and PR acces all in one fell swoop just like you did. For people who really don't like fame grinding, or just cba... they don't have them back yet. As for "oh but you can get them back"; show me a "quick & easy" way for a Kamist to get to Avendale or Avalae. Or for a karavaneer to get to MinCho. Or hey while we're at it lets try some other comparisons. How Womkan is right next to a Kami TP but the karas have to walk miles through one of the most aggro infested hellholes on Atys. Or how the "best" 250 grind spots in the game are right next to a kara TP but the kamist have to walk miles. Or how Jukoo is a 100m aggro-free jaunt from a kami TP, but the karas have to sneak across FD to get there. Or how right next to LoC Kara TP there's an easy sup spot, but kamis have to sneak across that zone to get there.grimjim wrote:But retained access to all areas. Retained the options. Losing city access, 250 access and PR access all in one fell swoop takes a lot away. Losing half your access points but still getting easy access to the areas doesn't compare.
I've had 3 (excluding the classic from your 'dear' wife). One for ages, followed by another, and then this new one. Hardly "frequent". But even though it wasn't actually intended for your benefit alone (wow, something that didn't rotate about you, shock&surprise), I'm glad its having a positive effect on you; I'll keep doing it.grimjim wrote:Your pronouncements and attempts at witticism along with Spriteh's frequent sig quotations and the antics of the usual suspects do marginally increase the value of the feeling of moral superiority though.
Hmmm sounds familiar...grimjim wrote:You lot are always bashing, you make no attempt whatsoever to understand the other side's point of view and you bash things that don't actually affect you. You're so fixated on your silly 'winning' point of view that you can't take a wider view of things that are good for everyone or that make the game enjoyable for a broader spectrum and thus help it succeed as a whole.
Bashing... check
Not listening... check (so many choices here, but I could only pick one)
Stuff that doesn't affect you... check
Fixated on one point of view... check (its an overall thing, couldn't bear to single out one post
)And I'm still waiting by the way.
So lets try it again, I'll even give you some pointers, read carefully now and see if you understand this time
I was going to do a neutral's guide to digging; list all the places that are easy to access as a neutral for every type of mat. And I know they exist.
As I said if you want a specific mat PR is hard for everyone; if you wanna dig pilan oil at demons lap, you gonna have fun getting there. But if you want oil and resin simple and quick, at the safest spot in roots, go through nexus, walk 50m south from portal and prospect. Not a single mob for 500m. Big shell, 100m south of void portal, safe as f**k. Amber 100m south of underspring portal/desert. Bark 50m south of same portal Seed/node 50m from that. Its not hard tbh... in fact I use the neutral entrances to access them. If you finds walking from dyron to US hard, you've wasted 2 yrs on atys.
That wood and resin spot I mentioned before, if your kara, you got a huge mob filled trek to get there, but its the best grind spot in roots, only weathers in 1 season (all other seasons; one weather is up, one is down so never completely down), never depletes... hell, south US is mob free with like 20 spots and you can access it from zorai tp, no pvp, no sneaking.
Btw, see what I did here? I replied to several posts at once... Saves people having to plow through 5 posts by the same person on the same topic one after another. Try it some time, it might let you vent in a more controlled manner and stay more on topic. Now, I hope you don't just focus on the bits where I annoy you in this post (I'm sure there's more than one); it actually has some useful information here and if you read it you might actually learn something (not that it would come as any use to you since you don't dig PR, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that, just once, you can be enlightened by what someone else has said on a topic you are not a master of).
Having said that, I am arguing with a man that thinks all atheists and agnostics are inherently and automatically morally superior to everyone on the planet who is religious, so tbh I don't hold much hope.
this way you still look neutral but have access to any land. I think some already went this way... *easy enough* 
