To all PvPers

[rundll32]

My issue is that I dont consider massive ammounts of double xp a proper "associated reward" to PvP. Or good digging spots. Or unique bosses. Or unique craft plans and tools.

I dont believe the reward should be pvp associated. The majority of pvpers partake in every other aspect of the game also, so I dont see why their rewards should be limited just because others choose not to join in.

They need to give out cats/op mats/sups/whatever for doing stuff at RP events etc.

Agreed. But 2 years down the line and still nothing

[dakhound]

ah I love how this argument goes on forever, with its many variations

the "you chose to be neutral arguement"
the "PvP PR zones are unfair argument"
the "I dont have good tp's argument"
the "PvP'rs are the devil incarnate argument"
the "Neutrals dont get the best gear/mats argument"
and so on

can we give it a rest, as a neutral you wont change anything by constantly posting as the victim, its too late to change the game mechanics and you sure wont get the 3rd faction you want. For one thing the term neutral covers so many different persuasions and gamestyles its not gonna please everyone.

I wish they would introduce something that would please you into the game just to end this tbh, but still there would be PvP only content which would give you reason to cry. Many people enjoy the PvP content and not many of them only participate for the reward, the reward is an added bonus.

[aardnebb]

I dont believe the reward should be pvp associated. The majority of pvpers partake in every other aspect of the game also, so I dont see why their rewards should be limited just because others choose not to join in.

If there were alternative ways to achieve those rewards with equal effort I would agree.

Agreed. But 2 years down the line and still nothing

I live in eternal hope

[rundll32]

Yeah it is an old argument, with valid points on both sides. Hopefully whoever takes ryzom on will do something to shut zahan up, like a forum ban, teehee

[aardnebb]

Many people enjoy the PvP content and not many of them only participate for the reward, the reward is an added bonus.

Take out the reward, balance the game, everyones happy then

After all, you "enjoy the challenge" of PvP, (though I still am confused as to why you swaped sides to join the one with larger numbers and thus lessened your own challenge...)

[dakhound]

After all, you "enjoy the challenge" of PvP, (though I still am confused as to why you swaped sides to join the one with larger numbers and thus lessened your own challenge...)

why I changed sides had nothing to do with challenge, I have had nothing from the karavan that I didnt get as a kami. I have lost several friends who I really liked by doing it, I also have lost my supply of cats/op mats

I was willing to take the "challenge" to the kara but other people disagreed with the way I wanted to do it. I was therefore unhappy with the game in the way I wasnt enjoying myself so I decided on a drastic change of my gamestyle to bring back the fun.

Challenge didnt come into it, infact before I switched I honestly thought the kami may be the rising faction and I was joining a faction in decline.

I hope that clarifies that for you zahan.

Take out the reward, balance the game, everyones happy then

confused me a bit there mate, how could you take away the reward? removing all bosses and sups from sub150 PR zones? removing sups from nexus? making outposts a peice of eyecandy rather than a producer of useful items?.

or again do you mean taking the PvP away from the reward by making the pvp content/areas non pvp?

[norvic]

You are sadly uninformed... As much as I enjoy a bit here and there, I'd be with the masses that disagree with you. This community is so far away from an open PvP style it isn't even funny... We had enough growing pains with the current setup (and many still *****) that your suggestion has zero credibility.

Didnt want to jump on this merry-go-round but agree with DT and still the debate rumbles on.

The implimentation we have which may not be ideal from the point of view of minorties in every camp whether that is PvP, PvE, Nuetral, Religous whatever you care to name, works aswell as anything possibly could in a broad sense.

If you go to far down any one road you upset maximum people.

With a few exceptions most people do some extent PvP because we luckily really have very little of the worst that PvP can show (Felluca anyone) (start of this thread) ok for hardcore PvP but not for the majority.

I would like to see fame consequences and other things for PvP actions and I am not saying everything is lovely and needs no further input but we do seem to have a pretty workable compromise situation for 90% of people atm.

[dakhound]

I would like to see fame consequences and other things for PvP actions and I am not saying everything is lovely and needs no further input but we do seem to have a pretty workable compromise situation for 90% of people atm.

would love the idea of fame concequences to PvP, would have made grinding my fame even easier and I wouldnt have had to throw a sickie in work to sort mine out

[calel]

I dont believe the reward should be pvp associated. The majority of pvpers partake in every other aspect of the game also, so I dont see why their rewards should be limited just because others choose not to join in.

Don't they already earn the rewards if they do partake in those other aspects, Run?

PvP only rewards for partaking in PvP seems to become the conscencus in more and more games nowadays; both AoC and WoW have (or have planned in the case of AoC) a sort of 'blood money' earned by PvPing which is only exchangable for PvP only rewards be it skills or item availability; WaR has it's seperate PvP skill/level progression planned.

Each and everyone has it's preferences towards a certain playstyle, but because you choose to prefer one over another it doesn't ought to mean you would get more rewards than those who favor another style, just different ones though comparable to one another. We each have our own way of playing and enjoying the game. Singeling out one style with easier or better availibility to rewards will inevitably make another feel excluded. Especially when it comes down to rewards that are not for exclusive use to one style.

That being said, I think Elevation crystals are probably the worst and yet best example of such an 'exclusive' implementation, since they affect our day to day gaming for probably the majority of the players, and possibly the enjoyment of the game for some. Wether we personally choose to PvP or not, skill progression concerns everyone.

Games are always about balance to ensure enjoyment; we like to have the ability to make choices but we don't want any of those choices to 'gimp' us.

[dakhound]

That being said, I think Elevation crystals are probably the worst and yet best example of such an 'exclusive' implementation, since they affect our day to day gaming for probably the majority of the players, and possibly the enjoyment of the game for some. Wether we personally choose to PvP or not, skill progression concerns everyone.

its not exclusive, doesnt your guild own an OP? and from what I gather many people would frown upon attacking the said outpost out of respect of your gamestyle.