Wishes

[tigrus]

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And yes, they should be able to tag up, if they want to.

Oh please....
You CANT be serious about that? If a neutral wants to pvp, he should know by now that there is a duel option.

[iwojimmy]

I dont want to get into the factionistas vs neutrals debate again, but since it looks like someones kicked the power plug out at Nevrax HQ again, its time to hit the Forums. If neutrality wasnt supposed to be an option, you could declare yourself Horde or Alliance on character creation and get on with playing the game the way the extremists want.

Firstly, this thread is a wishlist, or a list of suggestions. I take these as being made in good faith to improve the game. Saying why you agree or disagree with these suggestions, and offering more of your own, is great. Attacking out of hand, or blatantly demanding stuff is not. I realise that any changes Nevrax make will be the ones they feel are best or most needed..
But there is no harm in providing ideas on the forum.

One of the suggestions was for an extra action bar. Some time ago someone (sorry, cant remember who) suggested having a 'permanent action bar' in addition to the standard ones we have now. This would be where you keep your actions which are universally used.. speed, invulnerability, self heal, MPA.. general purpose heals, whatever... Because these tend to be repeated on several action bars, being able to have them in one spot - always accessible - would save a lot of taskbar real-estate.

[dakhound]

here's me thinking everyone got the same amount of TP's

karas got all kara and no kami
kamis got all kami and no kara
neutrals got a mix of both

[nillian]

...This game requires good traveling possiblities, because it's too hard walk around...

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so someone migh've said it already, but this is untrue. It's not too hard at all, you just need skill and patience. I know of countless people who made a new toon (with level 1 in everything) and trekked the entire planet solo.

The neutral access to PR thing has been thrashed out so many times on these forums, now I've seen it from all sides .. neutral with access (pre-patch), neutral without access (post-patch) and Kami-aligned solely for access (current). I managed to dig PR quite successfully as a neutral without TPs, it just took a small 2k run through Nexus. Given the amount of time PR takes anyway, it's not that much of a sacrifice. Also, there are plenty of 'grind spots' in PR next to portals next to neutral TPs. For supremes, it just takes a bit of extra planning and forethought. You haven't aligned yourself to either of the powers that give _anyone_ TP access, so why should they TP you into PR?

Stopping now, before I rant even more.

As to your suggestions, pretty much all of them, with the exception of the TP ideas, I'd agree with. Really want the armour/jewel packs, would make life so much easier, especially since I have multiple sets of LA in the same colour and grade, but with wildly different stats/boosts.

[alphacen]

A lot's already been given up. What more do you want? Neutrals already make a greater sacrifice than any other group in the game.

And yes, they should be able to tag up, if they want to.

That's maybe where your problem is : Neutral AREN'T considered as a group (ie: a faction), looking how the lore is currently, it is a temporary state. Neutrality is the period Ryzom gives to every Noobs like me, to get to know the 2 forces in presence before giving their allegiance.

What you are doing in my eye is exploiting this system to avoid the game's lore and to get even more.. which is the creation of a full pve only system on top of what there is now. All you want is to legalize this "neutral exploit" with the 3rd side of yours. That it will lead to the destruction of the Faction & Kittin current lore, doesn't seem to bother you. I think it would be wiser for you guys to request a pve server or to completely rebuild the pvp/pve lore in Ryzom.

Until then , I don't like the Kami/Kara/Neutral only ports because you keep repeating the same mistake: giving Neutrals a major boosts without a balance.



As for the question why Nevrax should reward the Factions more.. if you did break your ass building an entire world, with an history, a vision: wouldn't you reward the ppl willing to read and follow you on this path, rather that those saying "it's nice but I'd rather play your game with my own rules" ?

You haven't aligned yourself to either of the powers that give _anyone_ TP access, so why should they TP you into PR?

That's the point, I guess they disagree fully with the lore as it is now, so instead of rebuilding it, they're trying to take away every content it has. All that will rest is a ugly and mindless wow pvp like game.. with both pve server and pvp servers mixed in once.The more I think about it , the more I see this neutrality like a way to not interact with other players.. or the less possible.

I don't like it and feel like it is a complete antithesis of what Ryzom is all about.


Oh and btw, to the one confusing Kami/Kara with wow's Horde/Alliance system: Ryzom is all about freedom! The game's main aspect is freedom: you are free to chose your profession, you are free to create your skills, you are free to participate to the lore (faction) or not (neutral). Others MMORPGs out there force your to pick up a class, forces to follow the lore (your are either pvp or pve, never both) and they force you to use their skills!

[grimjim]

Oh please....
You CANT be serious about that? If a neutral wants to pvp, he should know by now that there is a duel option.

As someone says later on.
Ryzom's about options.

IF for whatever reason, a neutral player wants to tag up then they should have the option to, provided it remains optional.

[iwojimmy]

Back when the open betas got me into this game, there was no PvP, no factions, no homin vs homin conflict in any of the promotional material Nevrax had available. It was Homins rebuilding a world destroyed by Kitin. The Kami and Karavan were bit-players in this, behind the scenes powers maybe, but not significant.
the aspect of neutral I follow still recognizes two factions.. those who want to rebuild, and those who want to tear down.

The story still recognizes the importance of rebuilding the civilisations, and defending against and defeating the Kitin. All this Faction stuff is just another facet of the game. Saying that it is what the game is all about is as false as saying the game is all about digging.

[grimjim]

That's maybe where your problem is : Neutral AREN'T considered as a group (ie: a faction), looking how the lore is currently, it is a temporary state. Neutrality is the period Ryzom gives to every Noobs like me, to get to know the 2 forces in presence before giving their allegiance.

You're thinking of 'undecided'. Not Neutral.

What you are doing in my eye is exploiting this system to avoid the game's lore and to get even more.. which is the creation of a full pve only system on top of what there is now. All you want is to legalize this "neutral exploit" with the 3rd side of yours. That it will lead to the destruction of the Faction & Kittin current lore, doesn't seem to bother you. I think it would be wiser for you guys to request a pve server or to completely rebuild the pvp/pve lore in Ryzom.

No, to restore what was taken. Neutral (and Tryton) has been part of the lore since the beginning. I can understand how newer players might be confused but things were taken away from neutrals. All that's being asked for in this instance is a restoration. Taking things away from people always breeds discontent and annoyance. The better method would have been to ADD factional only TPs, not to take away from what people had.

The Rangers and the Trytonists are both neutral third-factionists and the neutral faction is also heavily concentrated upon fighting the kitin threat over other homin. This is all part and parcel of the lore and does not detract from it. It adds to it.

It WOULD be better to have a roleplaying/PvE server seperated from the PvP crowd, but that isn't likely to happen unless the playerbase swells even more rapidly than it has been. Until then both sides need to compromise towards the centre or to both have equal options in one fashion or another.

Until then , I don't like the Kami/Kara/Neutral only ports because you keep repeating the same mistake: giving Neutrals a major boosts without a balance.

Again, I repeat, this would be a restoration and in any case aspects of story and plot are being missed out on or not fitting correctly, so there is balance there.

As for the question why Nevrax should reward the Factions more.. if you did break your ass building an entire world, with an history, a vision: wouldn't you reward the ppl willing to read and follow you on this path, rather that those saying "it's nice but I'd rather play your game with my own rules" ?

An interactive game, especially of the RPG type, is NOT a novel. It is an interactive entertprise. Once you put a game out there it is no longer yours. This is what I was referring to as railroading. It marginalises player involvement and rides roughshod over anything they might do. It is not a good quality and is one of many things I think MMORPGs need to learn from their tabletop counterparts.

With CCP and White Wolf merging I'm hoping other MMO companies will follow suit and catch up on 30 years of RPGs.

Oh and btw, to the one confusing Kami/Kara with wow's Horde/Alliance system: Ryzom is all about freedom! The game's main aspect is freedom: you are free to chose your profession, you are free to create your skills, you are free to participate to the lore (faction) or not (neutral). Others MMORPGs out there force your to pick up a class, forces to follow the lore (your are either pvp or pve, never both) and they force you to use their skills!

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So if it's about freedom why contradict yourself and support the forcing and marginalisation of neutrals?

[sofiaoak]

Oh please....
You CANT be serious about that? If a neutral wants to pvp, he should know by now that there is a duel option.

I agree. Neutral is pretty much same as no PvP or more like not taking sides.

[vguerin]

Lets shut up a moment, seriously, and remember that these teleports were arbitrarily taken away.

What is being asked for is a RESTORATION of function, not a change, so that everyone can enjoy the game.

You want to dumb down the game is all.

Initially (since it was easier for us to beta test), everyone could have any TP. Like MANY other things prior to EP1, teleports were released unfinished. You in fact were able to use something you had no right to use based on your gameplay. I think gameplay suffers because neutrals have access to teleports outside of the starter cities TBH. They arbitrarily gave you more because, like many other gameplay issues, they caved in to the minority not playing they game as it was planned. It's things like this that have slowed our story progression...