Random idea (Spires)

[raven41]

*sigh*... Not all Kami/Kara players are Pro-PvP, So if Factioned players are going to be effected, Nuetrals should too IMO. Don't see why they wouldn't honestly... However Id rather only see tagged players effected. Maybe to prevent "Walking a few meters to a different zone to tag" Make it so there is a timer after you leave an enemy zone... and you can't tag within that time. (Say 5-10 min?)

I am not complaining for my sake, If I gotta walk a bit owell,I do it sometimes anyway... But I don't see this going to well... Because the last TP change didn't go well... And I just don't want to lose anymore friends.......

Plus this wouldn't ruin OPs by making it imposible for one faction to get to OPs... As it is they would only have to make a spire first and the attack would be too easy =p (Or defense x.x)

P.S. Sorry ... Me= Tired

P.S.S. - Do ya just want to see this happen to get back at the players that don't think neutrals should get PR TPs? Thats how it sounded when you said you would laugh...

[aardnebb]

*sigh*... Not all Kami/Kara players are Pro-PvP, So if Factioned players are going to be effected, Nuetrals should too IMO. Don't see why they wouldn't honestly...

Maybe we had our nerf already, and so the factioned players are next?

[gillest]

Hehe exactly..

And if u factionned to get Tp's, you may not be 100% neutral, you choosed a side... You choosed to obey to Kami or Kara, so you are not neutral, you are a disobediant servitor who serve but not fully..
Beware if you are, we may unleash DT

We had our nerf, you guys may well have yours as well if spires come out, thats just the way it may well go...


Dont get me wrong, I am 100% for no restriction to anyone on any TP, just real neutral have had a huge one, PvP/factionned players may well be next..
IC i see that to be even more beneficial to the PvP aspect (the one that is not OP), some real strategy could start there: get spires in areas where u want to atk Op so as to disable TP for other faction and so on.... Hope you guys will have fun with that

[blaah]

*sigh*... Not all Kami/Kara players are Pro-PvP, So if Factioned players are going to be effected, Nuetrals should too IMO. Don't see why they wouldn't honestly...

Because the last TP change didn't go well... And I just don't want to lose anymore friends.......

http://www.ryzom.com/development/in-development/spires-en/

We originally planned to add them in the same time as the fame changes, but this wasn't made possible as we couldn't test them deeply enough within the time. Then we had other features in the pipe (RoS, R², Kitin's Lair) that couldn't be delayed, so the Spires testing got stalled.

here, cant be more official. last tp change you speak of was only half the tp change. Factioned players are damn lucky that they "didnt have enough testing time".

[raven41]

What made ya post the link

"[1] PvP Flag
The first thing to keep in mind is the role of the PvP flag. You will only be affected by the rules and effects described in this document if you choose to enable it. This way, if you don't want to participate in the PvP conflict, you will be able to stay out of it – you will only be affected by the availability of respawn points and teleport tickets. However, there will be an interesting difference: there will be large battles all over the territory, which you will be able to watch safely. "

That is the problem I am refering to, I have been against spires since I first heard of them btw.

And no one should get nerfed, As I said look how it went the first time, We still have people complaining months later...

[edit] the last part I was gonna put would have led to arguing most likely so NM

[edit#2] Also "the availabiltiy of respawns" If that effects ALL respawns in any zone that the enemy has this will destroy PvE hunts(Which is what I do 95% of the time when not digging(Which is 3% of the time ) ... Since if ya wipe you gotta run from w/e region your faction holds... There is no reason why I should be able to respawn in void if Karas held it with that rule set, Unless I can respawn w/e I want...

If I could respawn in void then it wouldn't make since to not just let me use the TP (Not even 50 m away) That I already have.

[vguerin]

There is no way for Spires to be implemented which is going to make everyone happy... I am not even sure a majority can be sated.

As non-factioned players still have access to faction teleports, how can a factioned player lose theirs ? I cannot fathom any way the storyline can be used to deny something earned by someone factioned, yet given to someone that isn't factioned. Take away the buffs (or consider them seperate but equal) and each issue shows the same losses across the board.

Unless they added a third "faction" so to speak, one which you'd have to "not" have certain faction levels and would be classified as non-combatant and have rites to achieve, I can't see how anyone can be calling losing faction priveledges a nerf. By doing this "rite" you'd be telling the factions you don't believe in either one of them and will not be involved in their struggles. In return the factions allow you the teleport access the current zones non-factioned homins enjoy.

This would also make you uneffected by the upcoming spires. By doing this it makes spires viable and stays within the storyline. Anything lesser is penalizing factioned players as it is silly to see players with neutral priveledges attacking factioned players... By allowing neutrals to attack factioned players without a penalty they have hurt their ability to add faction related features like spires and buffs. OP's would/could/should need the ability to have this "tag" making them oriented towards the guilds affinity. Attacking a factioned OP would alter the stats needed for the "neutral" rite and eventually cause you to lose priveledges to that factions teleports (Maybe even change a guilds fame as well, guilds have to make choices for alignment, lets make it count for something)...

I totally believe neutral (or whatever label you want to give it) should be a viable play option, but it has be have a criteria to make it a valid standard. I totally believe Spires could be implemented if they make changes similar to my babbling to make them make sense storywise...

[aardnebb]

blah blah neutrals should be affected by spires and further nerfed etc etc blah blah.

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I totally believe neutral (or whatever label you want to give it) should be a viable play option, but it has be have a criteria to make it a valid standard. I totally believe Spires could be implemented if they make changes similar to my babbling to make them make sense storywise...

uuh ok...

1. OPs are nothing to do with faction. OP battles are only "kami vs karavan" because of the KA. Trying to change the nature of the content by repeating it often enough? Isnt that what you complain about us doing?

2. While proposing further nerfs to an already disadvantaged faction you feel they should be a viable play option? I dont really see how that can make sense?

Could you try and clarify why Spires (which a neutral cant take part in due to lack of PvP tag even if they wanted to) should affect us, since they are content actively denied us?

Or is this another TC propaganda special, devoid of real content due to repeated contradictions....

[raven41]

OPs are not really "Kami vs Kara" atm ,Because Neutrals help each side, And there are some *Good*Evil Kara's that help Kami against the *Bad* Evil Kara's , So really OPs are being GvG... Or if ya want AvA... Which I personally think is(Can be) fun .. And to deny the attacker access to the region of the OP would make attacks almost pointless ... Defense is easier, and as long as the defense can keep from being wiped there is not much way Spires could make OPs more fun... esp since the defending side could just wait till last minute whip out the other spire and make there own

I like OPs, And the fights for them , It can be very fun when people are not flaming... However If spires is implemented as planed I see OPs going more FvF then they sometimes are now...... Which IMO would suck , Even if by that time Kami were winning... It would suck...

OK so yeah, I am worried about effects on OPs aswell as PvE players that happen to be factioned... Someone shouldn't be punished for picking a faction...

Neutral is not really a faction,its neutral... You don't HAVE to do fame missions to be neutral...(Yeah you can do missions but you do not HAVE TO since you start out neutral)... Technical the Kami/Kara shouldn't let neutrals TP at all... But that is nowhere near what I want to happen... I would like to see neutrals get towns and PR back honestly... ESP towns...

If spires is implemented as planned then I think they would need to take "Consensual PvP" Off the home page, Because then PvP would be effecting people no matter what (Unlike now where OPs and there rewards are PvP only... And then even still non PvP people can get that stuff by trade... *Diplomacy*)

[blaah]

If spires is implemented as planned then I think they would need to take "Consensual PvP" Off the home page, Because then PvP would be effecting people no matter what (Unlike now where OPs and there rewards are PvP only... And then even still non PvP people can get that stuff by trade... *Diplomacy*)

there will be no spires. the "thing" they cooking based player feedback, if not even close to spires.
if they follow player feedback, then they follow 2 simple rules:
1) nothing is taken away from factioned players
2) everything stays the same for factioned players
so, the thing they cooking can only be static buffbot. does not effect atys everyday life at all. just a decoration item like temples are.

got it ? there will be no spires.
sad thing is that original spire idea was good, it's just too late to include them to game.