New PvP rank suggestions thread.

[tigrus]

In response: prior to the ring the main large updates I have seen in the _entire_ length of my subscription are:

Episode 2 (PVP only content)
Fame patch (introduced FvF PVP Flags)
Outposts (PVP only content)
Ruins of Silan (newbie island content)

See why people have had enough PvP stuff and want the Ring, the Kitin Lair etc?

There is plenty of PvP content already, with Spires still to come.

Not saying PvP content is bad, only "PVP ONLY" content is bad since it excludes a _huge_ proportion of the player base.

And we have had enough PvP stuff put in for a while thanks... more non-PvP is what we want right now.

There are other titles that have been "in progress" far longer than PvP titles...

FINALLY a answer that explained to me in a way that DIDNT step on the pvpers. And one that i like too btw

Now i understand this. And im not saying implement it NOW.
Maybe have it in AFTER all the PVE content?

[grimjim]

I love pvp, because i love the feeling of being good at what i do. Being top class. Does that make me a bad person?

You can insist and put it that way until you're blue in the face but I've never seen anyone who makes the distinction actually BE distinct from the ganktastic stereotype.

[johntf]

No offense your signature tells anyone with half a mind enough about you.

[tigrus]

LOL! basing a character definition on a signature? THATS awesome!

[mugendo]

FINALLY a answer that explained to me in a way that DIDNT step on the pvpers. And one that i like too btw

Now i understand this. And im not saying implement it NOW.
Maybe have it in AFTER all the PVE content?

It's always nice to see folk reach an understanding and compromise

[motan]

...
On a side note: why is it that MMO compagnies still believe PvP is "content everlasting" eventhough past experience has proved otherwise?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've even heard that there are MMO companies who believe that players enjoy doing quests.

If done well, I think that PvP is great content... winning against NPC is not challenging - usually you either find a weakness in the AI or gather enough friends and do it by pure force.

On the other hand, player enemies often do the unexpected, they are varied and fluid.

[grimjim]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've even heard that there are MMO companies who believe that players enjoy doing quests.

If done well, I think that PvP is great content... winning against NPC is not challenging - usually you either find a weakness in the AI or gather enough friends and do it by pure force.

On the other hand, player enemies often do the unexpected, they are varied and fluid.

But despite this protest people _don't_ want 'a challenge', they want to win. They want to kill people that are faster and easier to kill than the PvE creatures and then they want to loot the bodies. This whole challenge thing is a myth!

[tigrus]

But despite this protest people _don't_ want 'a challenge', they want to win. They want to kill people that are faster and easier to kill than the PvE creatures and then they want to loot the bodies. This whole challenge thing is a myth!

Now THAT is pure BS. sorry mate

[grimjim]

Now THAT is pure BS. sorry mate

Is it? It's backed up by observation, like it or not.

[dakhound]

a biased observation too, with nothing correct about it