iphdrunk wrote:I'm unsure about this and imho a generalization. This can be true from an absolute point of view (counting the number of players), but maybe not in relative terms to the population. Also, note that there were Kami guilds very PvP oriented, I may mention, CP, DCP, Infinity. Some of those left out of boredom, simply.
I just don't agree with "Karavan are more aggressive and PvP oriented" and "Kami are..." : biased, unfounded (show the numbers) and generalizing.
Yep, there were kami pvp guilds, Infinity being one of them. And yes we left out of boredom. We had looked forward to OPs for a long while, but they turned out to be boring in themselves. They rarely changed hands and if there was a battle it was a matter of both factions pouring out and simply spewing spells at each other. Many of us had hoped for guild v guild battles, challenges, etc, but there weren't any. In my mind it was a population issue. Triple the current population and you might see some interesting politics going on. Fighting among factions, OPs changing hands somewhat regularly, etc. As it is... its boring. And thats coming from an Infinity... the guardians of the Void... Don't recall ever having to defend either of them. Simply watched the GH fill up with cats.
Now we have the opposite problem... there are battles, but no people, which leads to the same problem. Showing up and getting beat down by a 2:1 (or worse 3:1) ratio is boring. No chance of winning, wear and tear on my gear and the constant gloating/taunting in region chat is just a waste of my time (I've also noticed that many people who now are gloating or generally putting down the kami were people who remained silent when the factions were closer to even. just an observation).
Is there a solution? not really. The kara will always be larger simply because of the manner in which people choose their chars. Matis is by far the most popular. tryker and Fyros are relatively equal. last comes the zorai, which is by far picked the least. From that base, there will be more pvpers simply because there are more people total.
Add to the equation the fact that nearly all kara guilds now have an OP, and are thus leveling faster, the people who wanted to join the winning side, and the recent exodus of Kami players and you get the unbalance we have today.
and its only going to get worse with spires.
Ryzoms PvP system in general could use some work. Having gone off and played other games, I realize just how lacking the system is here. Its a matter of who presses their skill first really (or whos net is faster really). There is no skill, per say, its simply a matter of having the levels.
and on a side not regarding that boredom that Ani mentioned. I play SWG with many of the Infinity members. Some of them asked about my recent return to Ryzom and if it was worth coming back to have look around. While I would have loved to told them to re-sub instantly, I had to be truthful with them and tell them it wasn't worth their time or money. In the 5 months I was away, nothing has changed (save a few needed bug fixes). We left out of lack of content and the boredom it brought on... why would I tell them to come back when nothing has been done to remedy that? I'd rather they went to Silkroad and finished what we started there. Only difference there is ones Engrish, the others Franglais.
As for those commenting on the thread without contributing to it, no one said you had to read it. Its a post on the forums and chances are if its been brought up numerous times, its because its an issue. If you don't want to read it, don't. No one said you had to read it (nor post in it).
