Returning Gu-Qin to the Kamis.

[danolt]

Stuff that, show us the colour of your dapper.

Maybe you should win a battle, first. When I ever need a mewling mercenary to stand around, sigh and pass out drinks, I'll send a farmboy with 6 dapper to hire you.

Pero

[grimjim]

Maybe you should win a battle, first. When I ever need a mewling mercenary to stand around, sigh and pass out drinks, I'll send a farmboy with 6 dapper to hire you.

Pero

Tell the battle part to the Kami, and rest assured, your drinks would be handled with the UTMOST care and given very special treatment indeed.

[d29565]

KoO ask's for your allegiance once more. We ask that you help your Kami brothers and sister's as we attempt to take some dignity and respect back for the Kami's, by taking back one of the many outpost's that belongs, rightfully, to us kamis.

I'm going to take a very educated guess, after reading the rest of the paragraph carefully, and say that the "allegiance" spoken of here is the allegiance that Kami followers show to Ma-Duk. The main point here is to rally the Kami to fight and give the knowledge of the outpost battle. The neutrals (namely Samsara) are not categorized here because they are mercanaries, paid to do whatever. The "psuedo-Karavan" are not spoken of here because, as I'm sure most can agree, they do not welcome the flamings they get, etc.
I cannot say I think for the "psuedo-Karavan," and I only offer my opinion here (which I have gathered from both ingame and forums), but I'm sure if we asked, some would show, simply because they do not agree with the Karavan Alliance's "genocide" (as I've heard said, and agree with).

I do hope that helps to clear up your confusion a bit Doubletap. o.O Actually, I hope it makes sense, since it's 1am, but I tried to help you understand that we of KoO do not expect allegiance to our guild, but to our god. All "other people" that attend these battles come for their own reasons.

[vguerin]

Maybe you should win a battle, first. When I ever need a mewling mercenary to stand around, sigh and pass out drinks, I'll send a farmboy with 6 dapper to hire you.

Pero

I believe (Dang man, someone more zealot than me is impressive) that Jyudas was basically asking us to make him an offer... That guy and I would probably be able to make a deal if he threw in the girl... Yummy... But I digress...

The "psuedo-Karavan" are not spoken of here because, as I'm sure most can agree, they do not welcome the flamings they get, etc.
I cannot say I think for the "psuedo-Karavan," and I only offer my opinion here (which I have gathered from both ingame and forums), but I'm sure if we asked, some would show, simply because they do not agree with the Karavan Alliance's "genocide" (as I've heard said, and agree with).

I tried to help you understand that we of KoO do not expect allegiance to our guild, but to our god. All "other people" that attend these battles come for their own reasons.

If I understand this correctly (you make it so easy sometimes youngun) you are saying that Kamist attacking homins is Genocide, I will agree with you... If they are aggressors in a battle between believers in a faith, they are choosing Kamists over Karavaneers by aiding your aggressive guild in their endeavors. This is not choosing a side between a genodical enemy and a pacifist one, it is choosing the side of aggressors against other Homins.

When you commit acts of Genocide by attacking non-aggressive homins, be they Karaveneers or Kamists, are you not included in their efforts ? As Karavaneers we may have slight lead in organization, but using YOUR math we are merely the minority. When repeated attacks on our lands and OP's is responded to by taking your things in retaliation, are we truly the aggressors ?

Karavaneers work hard for peace, Jena has not entrusted us to take all the OP's in her behalf. When harmony didn't work we tried an eye for an eye... In those tit-for-tat encounters we eventually saw a rise in Karavan held OP's (because many saw your aggression). Now you claim an underdog role that you do not deserve, much blood has been spilled because of the very things you have tried to do. You have caused homins to become traitors to their race in behalf of your preaching of being underdogs, all the while being the ones that poke that current Giant. (The Karavaneers thanks folks like KoO).

Little do these neutrals and pseudo-Karavan know, they would have their OP's if the Kamists were not constantly enciting trials betweeen our people. We wish no ill to TRUE neutrals, and Karavaneers that have not yet been blessed with the true light of Jena. When these homins choose to take a side with Kamists, we have no choice but to brand them by their actions.

Karavaneers are not aggressive in our actions as we are homins as well, but when you become an ally of our enemy, you are not following our Goddess and you must be considered an enemy.

[norvic]

DT your alliance is an alliance like any other, ok your members are all Kara faction but you are not "THE" Karavan, you do not have a monopoly on Jena and her teachings or a right to preach to others in their interpretation.

The constant use of terms such as Psuedo and Fake when describing fellow Karavan who do not follow the agenda of your alliance is derogotary and insulting especially when there are a number of turncoats in your alliance who switched allegence to be on what they perceive to be the winning side. Might is popular in some quarters but insulting those with their own true hearts who do not follow like sheep is an abuse of the power of the mighty.

Jenas enemy is Ma-duk, true he derives power from his followers but I dont beleive Jenas heart is black enough to want to grind every mis-guided Kami homin into the dust, this IS genocide and oppression and I dont think that is what Jena is about it just seems to be the agenda of your alliance no matter what words and explanations of your threats you use to dress it up with.

[grimjim]

Jenas enemy is Ma-duk, true he derives power from his followers but I dont beleive Jenas heart is black enough to want to grind every mis-guided Kami homin into the dust, this IS genocide and oppression and I dont think that is what Jena is about it just seems to be the agenda of your alliance no matter what words and explanations of your threats you use to dress it up with.

Indeed.
Surely an *ahem* Master propagandist such as yourself can see the value in winning hearts and minds rather than territory, increasing resistance and resentment?

[komissar]

Jenas enemy is Ma-duk, true he derives power from his followers but I dont beleive Jenas heart is black enough to want to grind every mis-guided Kami homin into the dust, this IS genocide and oppression

Hmm what exactly are you talking about mate? The homins killed in battle are immediately respawned by Jena, no matter kami karavan or neutral. So no-one is grinding them into dust.

This "genoside" is some non-existant fantasy mate

As for Ma-Duk being the enemy, that is exactly so and that is the reason why Jena's influence has to spread while his has to diminish. And taking the outposts serves exactly that purpose (preparing for the spires).

Some karavan aligned guilds are trying to aid kami and bring back Ma-duk influence by winning back the outposts that is why the majority of the karavan aligned homins that is actually fighting FOR Jena's interests and not for kami and Ma-duk ones calls them "fake" or "pseudo" or kamivan.

Everything looks crystal clear, so what do you worry about?

[grimjim]

This "genoside" is some non-existant fantasy mate

The nanoseed does wear out. Each time we die and are restored we get a little closer to that last, true death.

[norvic]

Ok in Black and white for you Kommisar, your alliance is using the name of Jena for its own ends to gradually occupy all outposts.

This is how the term Genocide I think is being used here because when the Kami are completly and utterly homeless many, except a few die-hards, will again switch sides or leave the game. ergo no Kami, ergo Genocide.

You proclaim to be Karavan, you think you follow Jena, nope, you destroy the diversity of Atys for you own Amusement and insult those who dont follow your line.

If all the "Free" Karavan followers joined your alliance Atys could probably be wrapped up in a few days, no more battles, just be glad alot of Homins think differently and be gratefull for it otherwise Atys would be a very boring place, so enjoy the battles, let people who wish try and restore some balance for their own reasons do so, and stop crucifying and insulting and threatening people for the sides they pick and having the courage to do what they think they should, not what an alliance tells them.

[komissar]

... stop crucifying and insulting and threatening people for the sides they pick and having the courage to do what they think they should, not what an alliance tells them.

Lol Calm down mate. What has gotte into ya? Geez.

Just out of curiosity: Where did I insult or crucify and threaten people?
Accusations without grounds it's like sound without speakers you know.

Genocide ok. Karvan alliance are all evil monsters - sure. I am evil monster too - agreed. Anything you fancy. Just as long as this is enough to raise the spirit of kami warriors and rally them for fight.

You still live in the Hippy haven Ryzom was one day. Well it's not like that anymore. And the outposts should be fought over you know, that's what they are there for.

Have you been at Lost Valley the other day? Well kami+supporters were wiping kara and got 4 lvls straight. We had a decent fight... finally.
You yourself (or someone looking very much like you) were shooting me from that funky launcher ofyours and i was dropping over and over That is fight, that is fun, that is what the Ops and that part of game is about.

So stop yelling "Genocide" on the forums and moaning about bad guys taking your candy away - go and fight.