last nights OP attack at lost valley

[totnkopf]

The karavan followers seem to have lived equally long without them.

Why all the fuzz over them then? Might as well share, and work for a common cause.

in the (in)famous words of George Carlin:
"we could outlaw most religions and a lot of these problems would go away, but we don't have time for rational solutions!"

I wouldn't bring genocide into it and normally I would tend to agree to what DT said, but with the current status of the Kami side and the general OP balance, I'm all in favor of having some guilds be a bit flexible, not because it increases the chance of a Kami win, but because it creates a more even fight and gives us all what we show up at an OP for... a good fight. No one would say that any Infinity member was not Kami through and through, but at some point I have to step back and see it from a fun factor point of view. If all the OPs are kara controlled, then what? Fight each other? doubt it... so that'd be it. End of OPs and end of the fights that many of us have come to enjoy.

So, enjoy them for what they are... a decent fight. In the end the Kami gained nothing, the Kara lost nothing, so no harm was done to anyone

[ryzomex]

and there we go agian....

[oldmess]

Why all the fuzz over them then? Might as well share, and work for a common cause.

Forty years had gone by since the closing of the outposts. On these spots, the nexuses which were throbbing in the depths of Atys were exploited in former times.

As the new temples were accomodating the homins, the divinities' representatives announced that the time had come to reconquer the outposts: their resources had become at stake in the war the Higher Powers were about to wage against each other.

The battle was just beginning. And each one of them knew that the ones who would gain control of the nexuses would control the whole of Atys.

IC: These are the instructions from both of the opposing divinities to their followers. You may choose to follow or not follow, of course. But that's the why, to answer your question.

@Riveit, you said exactly what I was thinking. We are not committing genocide; we are challenging outposts. And since this thread is about a Kami attack, I'm not sure genocide claims make any sense in this context. But it was a good piece of propoganda, Xeraphim. Very dramatic.

[kaetemi]

Kamists who "do not want to be saved, and who do everything they can to drag other homins to their downfall."

Saved from what? Saved from the Karavan who are destroying "our" planet in an attempt to fix their own dead rock? Then don't support them in the first place.

[vguerin]

Saved from what? Saved from the Karavan who are destroying "our" planet in an attempt to fix their own dead rock? Then don't support them in the first place.

Rewriting lore now Kaet ? What is this dead rock of which you speak ? Please provide us additional information to which will make us as enlightened as you ?

Kami propoganda, whether false as yours... or eloquently written like Xeraphim's... is still propoganda.

Pseudo-Karavan followers, joining into a Kamist attack against a Karavan held outpost is what it is... There is no middle ground for a true Karavaneer or Tryker !

Being A Tryker

What are our goals?
Build strong and closely knit guilds to spread the word of the Karavan and free the infidels of Kami possession.

Who are our enemies?
- The Kamis: They are an evil blight, they try to blow your mind with their magic just to possess you. They ought to be stamped out.

[xeraphim]

*grins*
That put the dog amounst the squirrels didn't it?
RP is a wonderful thing..
Yes my views on this are bordering on the extreme.
However the greed and expansionism shown by the KA is a bugbear I live with daily. It diminishes from the game for me and it is difficult to see my kami and neutral bretheren struggle for resources that the KA have commandeered outside of thier native lands.
Forgive me for my earlier dramatism.. just wanted to stir things up a bit.. not usually like me.
Indeed genocide is perhaps strong as ma-duk and jena have put paid to the concept of perma-death.. however it IS oppression and greed. Its is akin to going to another country because you dont like thier religion and and saying
"were having this here oil.. what you gonna do about it? ... oh there are less of you and some of you dont like PvP very much.. hmm nothing then.."
Indeed im probably just rambling and whinging now.. *sigh*
But i would like to think that im just making a point...

[kaetemi]

Rewriting lore now Kaet ? What is this dead rock of which you speak ? Please provide us additional information to which will make us as enlightened as you ?

A legend nonetheless has been passed on through the ages and this legend is the key to discovering the secret behind the origins of Atys.

Homins lived on an impoverished planet until the Great Dragon, the prince of darkness, came and seduced them with visions of crystal waters and a land of plenty. After leading them to Atys, the Dragon endeavored to extinguish the sunlight there and in the cold and dark reduce the homins to slavery.

Considering this is the Karavan lore (also readable at the Karavan temple, afaik), replace "Dragon" with "Jena", and "prince of darkness" with "the Night’s Empress", and it will completely make sense. Stuff in the lore is written to blind you from the truth.

[xeraphim]

And since this thread is about a Kami attack,

Indeed Oud..
But the OP is in Sacred Kami and Zorai Lands.. it was taken from us by the KA and im sure any Kami would see the land as rightfully ours.
If it is wrong to attack an enemy occupying your lands, in your own lands, i would like someone to explain why
*oh dear im a bit mischeivious today.. id best go dig or somthing*

PS - Oud I'll take the "propaganda" comment as a compliment -

"propaganda

n : information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause"

dictionary.com

[oldmess]

Indeed Oud..
But the OP is in Sacred Kami and Zorai Lands.. it was taken from us by the KA and im sure any Kami would see the land as rightfully ours.
If it is wrong to attack an enemy occupying your lands, in your own lands, i would like someone to explain why

Never said it was wrong; just quibbling over the word "genocide"; the rest was fine.

PS - Oud I'll take the "propaganda" comment as a compliment

Intended that way.

[d29565]

I cannot resist posting this, as this thread has turned into a religious "fight," as so many threads have recently.

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

(Imagine all the people sharing all the world)

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

~Imagine: A Perfect Circle. I think it is by the someone else originally. (Young and Dumb )

But anyway, food for thought.