Mass Murderer or RPK?

[sprite]

To gank is to show disrepect for your opponent by attacking them when they cannot defend themselves, ie spawn camping, [snip] lagged out ... [snip] ... if Rundll or any other player attacks only because of consent and no rp rationale, then they gank.

Forgive my ignorance but those two statements appear to contradict each other. The first part has to do with whether someone can defend themselves or not (I would see killing such a person as 'bad'), and the 2nd has to do with consent; which is it?

You may notice that I've removed "afk" and "digging" from the list of "unable to defend themselves". You may disagree with me, but my reasoning is this:
"afk" - Someone who is afk and has left their FvF flag up (or has gone afk for a long period of time in a PvP zone) is asking for trouble imo. They have consented previously and if they're silly enough to leave themselves open to it without moving to a safe zone (which TPs and I believe spawnpoints are also) then to be honest, I think they've got no right to complain if someone takes advantage.
"digging = defenceless?" - personally I would never dig with my FvF tag up, and as has already been stated there is no reason currently for someone to dig in a PvP zone... you can get the same mats in nonPvP zones. Leaving that aside however, it's a simple matter of hitting your melee/magic protect and TPing out (or running, or getting out your own weapon) then coming back later. If you die in one hit, then I'd chalk it up to the aforementioned "digging where you can get killed" or conversely I'd see it that most of the mobs in PR could kill you pretty fast anyway.

[jamela]

Main Entry: gank
Definition: ... to hurt another's feelings

There's another part of the argument, a subjective definition.

I think it's fair to say that ganking as you may know it is almost entirely non-existent on Atys. Repetitive killing has sometimes made people very upset and been called griefing, even without disrespectful smack-talk, and rationalised as Sehraci says, by the Faction war.

[vguerin]

There's another part of the argument, a subjective definition.

I think it's fair to say that ganking as you may know it is almost entirely non-existent on Atys. Repetitive killing has sometimes made people very upset and been called griefing, even without disrespectful smack-talk, and rationalised as Sehraci says, by the Faction war.

As I stated differently earlier, there is no true faction war. Other than having to choose A/B in order to wear the PvP tag. As much as I wish there was something for us to rally behind, those who do feel a calling aren't getting much back from it. Whats being touted as faction is often just the players/guilds who most suit your playstyle. When Infinity left there was no honorable Kamist guild to take the mantle (and it hurt the gameplay). Many that had called themselves Kamists left to not be associated with the most active kamists.

[marct]

Except of course that there's the wrangle over what constitutes consent and what doesn't, and that it isn't very funny, unless you're a PKer with a viewpoint at one extreme end of that spectrum of opinion.

Except of course there are many good IC reasons to kill a person whom may appear at the moment to be a peaceful, even a digger.

Not all of the people who have killed someone who has consented (in one way or another) think it is funny, find the need to taunt, verbally abuse, or harass said person. To some people it is part of their character, or their IC beliefs.


As you said, and others have noticed, it always turns around to what is consent.

I will repeat again, I would viamently argue turning your PvP tag on is consent. I would argue that going into a PvP zone is consent. I would argue but have a hard time with it that the old lands were consent.

(On the old lands front, they should have made it much much more difficult to just dig. If The mobs were such that the fighters had to constantly fight them off so their side could dig, there would have been no time for fighting amongst homins, and the strong still would have prevailed.)

As for the OP, an RP killer would have a very very very hard time overcoming a "ganker" moniker and all the associated bad mouthing, even if they kept it clean, RP'd approriately, etc.

[akede]

Sprite, I actually don't disagree with you, but I've been trying to leave out what my character would do.

Being afk or digging in a PvP zone or with your flag up means you assume the risk and I'm in agreement with that. I won't kill afkers or diggers because my character wouldn't do it unless he witnessed it being done by an enemy and then he believes in an eye for an eye. KOS list, if you will.

Being afk is stupid when flagged or in a pvp zone, but IRL shyte happens and you have to afk. You should do so understanding that you can die if an enemy runs across you. I just want to know what players and guilds condone this.

Does Rundll do this? Haven't gotten a response from her. Does her guild condone it? Dunno. But as I become a part of the community, I want to know what to expect from it. I'm pretty sure others do as well.

Rundll, this is not a personal attack. (ty to the person who em'd me about that.) I'm using you as an example because of your public bragadoccio in your sig. I've also gotten wind of your rep, but that could be very inaccurate. I'm asking the source in a public forum to hold you accountable to your answer.

[grimjim]

I just want to know the makeup of this community. The word is out that this community rocks, but if it's full of RPKs then people need to know that. It's billed as a RP friendly game and that means that there is RP even in the PKing. If it's not this way, then I'd like to know as well as others.

In my experience (on a broader basis than just Ryzom) RP and PK/PvP does not generally form part of the same playerbase or community within a game audience. Ryzom is plagued less than usual by such antisocial behaviour but that just makes it stand out more when it does happen. Mixed blessing.

[grimjim]

Except of course there are many good IC reasons to kill a person whom may appear at the moment to be a peaceful, even a digger.

Not all of the people who have killed someone who has consented (in one way or another) think it is funny, find the need to taunt, verbally abuse, or harass said person. To some people it is part of their character, or their IC beliefs.

I'd tend to agree that being tagged counts as consent, but I acknowledge the argument of those who want to display their faction without being constantly killed. That's easily solved with just two or three extra titles in the dropdown (Kami Loyalist/Karavan Loyalist/Neutral) which shouldn't take the devs long to implement if they wanted to.

I don't agree that there is consent in any of the other instances. So long as content of any kind is tied to PvP then it isn't really consensual IMO, unless there's an alternate route to accessing the content, even if it's a more difficult one.

[sumoman]

I don't agree that there is consent in any of the other instances. So long as content of any kind is tied to PvP then it isn't really consensual IMO, unless there's an alternate route to accessing the content, even if it's a more difficult one.

GOT YA NOW

u state that being in PR isnt consent for PvP, but in that quote there u say that as long as there is "an alternate route to accessing the content" it is consensual

The main purpose of PR is for the excellent/sup mats and u can access these in the 5 non-pvp areas

Booya i win

PS please shut the topic now so he cant find a loop hole
plz gms

[lathan]

I think part of the problem with tags started when the dev's implemented pvp flags and someone said "Oooo, a faction tag, I shall wear it always to show my faction!". Others started doing the same, and some of them weren't so happy when the other faction exercised their ability to kill them whenever they saw them.

Also, although the issue would appear to be huge when you read about it on the forum, it really isn't that big a problem in game these days. When pvp was first introduced, things were very different, and killing a single harvester would have been likely to get you and your guild hunted (it happened on more than one occasion). That led to harvesters feeling safe from homins even in pvp zones, and feeling as though they had a right to dig in peace. The community's taken some time to adjust to the way things are now, but I think mostly people just don't put themselves into that position if they don't want to, or do if they do. One exception is the supernodes, where there is sometimes a shaky peace, but even that gets broken from time to time, and I don't think I would ever take it for granted that I'd be safe there again.

So, forum pvp (an entirely different animal) aside, it's not a huge issue these days. It'll be interesting to see if spires change that once more though... you never know

[ajsuk]

lol - Schizm, your cracking me up. I'm gunna be outta the job here shortly.
Just a word of advice though, keep that dictonary close to hand cos once he's backed up in to a corner he'll fire all sorts of confuddling nonsense @cha.