Medium quality plans a ripoff? I think so.

[lazarus]

Today I found the first (and so far the only) thing that has really made me mad about Ryzom. I decided to spend some skill points on medium quality crafting plans, and I was sorely disappointed when I did.

I bought the plans for Matis 2h sword and light armour sleeves, and it seems to me the only difference is a bit of gold. The actual design is exactly the same in each case, except on the sword the blade is gold, and on the sleeves the shoulder pads are gold.

I don't know about you, but I think 40 skill points is a bit much to simply get a little gold trim thrown in, especially seeing as how I've already spent 30 points each getting the original plans. I knew I wasn't going to get much, certainly not an improvement to stats or anything like that, but when the only difference is part of the item is gold and is otherwise identical to the regular item, I'm not impressed.

To illustrate the point, I took some screenshots...

First the regular sleeves -

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lazarus/im ... leeves.jpg

And now the medium quality sleeves -

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lazarus/im ... leeves.jpg

I must admit I've a good mind to petition a GM to remove this plan and give me my 40 points back (although I'd probably be wasting my time). There have been several comments about the 'sameness' of the various armour styles, and if this is all we have to look forward to, I hardly see the point in bothering with either medium or high quality plans, especially with armour as it will cost 200 points for a light set and 240 for a heavy set just to get medium quality, and the same again for high quality.

If you're going to have stuff like this, at least use a little imagination and actually make the design different, not just stick a bit of gold on...

[kibsword]

I like the medium quality, indeed I'm still saving sp to get all the medium quality matis weapon plans

[ethania]

I agrea to lazarus. There should be some more difference in the quality of the armour or weapons. Or they shouldn't cost full SP. A spell doesn't get more expencive at different levels if you get the right stanzas for start. The medium quality should, if there is no other difference than colour or design, be a stanza I think so the other parts of the armor gets sheeper. Or they could have some more protection or something. I won't get the medium Quality if I get nothing for it!

[borguk]

Indeed they are, it should be a 10 point upgrade to medium and then 10 points again up to high.

They give no additional protection, all it is is a look.

40 points per item is just silly.

[silverio]

Indeed they are, it should be a 10 point upgrade to medium and then 10 points again up to high.

They give no additional protection, all it is is a look.

40 points per item is just silly.

I think that solution is not to make them only looking better but to also add beter funcionality ... More SAP, less weight, easier to menage so better dodge and parry factors... all this at cost that they have much less chance to be crafted !

One thing that seriusly disapointed me is that Zorai heavy armours look same and they really need to at last look little less bulky for medium quality ...

[lazarus]

I like the medium quality, indeed I'm still saving sp to get all the medium quality matis weapon plans

I don't really have an issue with the weapon plans (although I wouldn't mind seeing them improved) as it's only one plan per weapon, but when you need to buy 5 or 6 plans at 40sp a pop to get a single armour type upgraded I'd expect something a little more than changing the colour of one part of the item.

[hivewasp]

as it's only one plan per weapon, but when you need to buy 5 or 6 plans at 40sp a pop to get a single armour type upgraded

Yup but there are 10 (or is it 12?) weapon types, 3 armor types (+caster pants)... if it's only for personal use you can certainly work with 1 or 2 plans, but if you plan on selling them you'll always find someone interested in a very specific item

[borg9]

Completely disagree!

The 'look' plans are there to improve the ability to sell the items not to make them umber-powerful!

The basic (30) + medium (40) + High (50) = 120 SP balances the SP cost of armour with other plans like Jewels, ammo, etc. (100 SP)


It means that a new crafter can make armour early as the plans are cheap, 30 SP.

If you don't want to 'waste' you skill points on a 'look-only' you don't have to buy the plans!

Personally I would buy medium-look armour over basic-look armour made with the same mats.

The idea, IMO, behind crafting is specialisation at the early stages, up lvl 60ish. After this point you can expand out it to other fields.

Just to warn you.....

At lvl 50+ in a branch, you can buy any of the medium-look plans for that branch.

Eg lvl 50+ armour crafter can buy any of the medium look armour plans (provided you have the equivelent basic plan)

This you already know.... but to get the High quality look, which also does nothing to the item stats - you will need to level to 150+ in the specific branch!!!!!!

So to have a full set of High Quality Look Heavy armour, you will need to be:
Lvl150 - Heavy Vest Crafter
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Lvl150 - Heavy Pants Crafter
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Lvl150 - Heavy Sleeves Crafter
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Lvl150 - Heavy Gloves Crafter
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Lvl150 - Heavy Helmet Crafter
+
Lvl150 - Heavy Boots Crafter

HAPPY LEVELING

Neun

[shrike]

I disagree, too.

Not that I would complain if the med qual plans would have an increased durability, but it's not really needed. To a lot of players looks are quite important - and it's look *does* improve.
The matis light sleeves are not a good example here, since they have the least differences to normal qual of the matis light armor pieces. With some items, especially the zorai armor, these changes are pretty limited, though - a little more diversifivation would be good there.

Furthermore, a crafter doesn't *have* to buy them. And you usually have a lot of surplus SP during the upper crafting branches - it's not like those plans remove vital SP from the crafter.

[borguk]

We are all different and will have different opinion.

At 40 points a plan thats 200 points for heavy, thats 20 hp/sp/sp/fp in the 50 point bonus plans. Since I have 15hp bonus already that would mean 35hp per item giving my purchaser the choice of looking good in his medium quality armour or having normal with an additional 210hp bonus.

See what I mean, I know what Id pick but thats me.