Homins I bring you the transcript of last night's debate amongst the candidates:
Shaly Nara says: Fantastic!
Lady Ailan Mackean says: I don't know how Sara puts up with you Rehn
Lady Ailan Mackean says: Youre always drinking
Adelpha says: *waves to everyone*
Skipper says: Drink puts hair on your chest and makes a man of you.
Learoy shilly says: *looks at sword*
Rehn kirran says: haws the Governoring Govnor Shinder?
Rehn kirran says: nice eh?
Learoy shilly says: mmm nice sword, I think that should be standard tryker weapon, you know
Lady Ailan Mackean says: Rehn are you here to fight or debate?
Rehn kirran says: my Kitin killing machine
O'biggan brassen says: doesn't my skipper look wonderful up there
Shaly Nara says: Put it away Rehn.
Shaly Nara says: You'll hurt yourself
Nayr says: bah: P
Rhiana Wyler says: he sure looks well
Lady Ailan Mackean says: With all that alcohol I'm surprised you know the difference
Rehn kirran says: bah
Adelpha says: xD
O'biggan brassen says: What a fine figure of a Homin
Rehn kirran says: how's this?
Rehn kirran says: pretty thing aehh?
Kharton says: is debate going to start, I have to go to bed in hours
Rehn kirran says: start the questions young homins!
Adelpha says: P
Roggan adgan shout: Greetings Trykers and friends and may I say how good it is to see so many of you here today.
Rehn kirran says: Im game!
Roggan adgan shout: We are meeting so that you will have a chance to hear the candidates discuss some issues and answer some questions prior to the first round of voting on Sunday.
Roggan adgan shout: I would also like to thank the candidates for appearing here and request that you keep the proceedings orderly and good humoured
Lakera says: *is particularly interested in what Shaly has to say this evening*
Roggan adgan says: I am sure that Ailan Mackean, the Lady of Loria, Shaly Nara, Marshall Rehn Kirran, The Skipper and Learoy Shilly need no further introduction from me, so I will pose the first question for debate:
Roggan adgan shout: "If you were elected, how would you advance the hunt for the killer of our beloved later Governor, Still Wyler?"
Roggan adgan shout: Lady Ailan, perhaps you will be so good as to commence?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Thank you Roggan, I shall love to start
Roggan adgan shout: Excellent
Rehn kirran says: hmm seems most homins are out killing Kitins as they should be
Lady Ailan Mackean shouts: May I first say how thankful I am for this opportunity to debate here tonight
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: And how grateful we all are for your hosting of this
Rehn kirran says: well thats good for Trykers
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: As for the question
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Mr. Ulyros is currently investigating the death of our beloved former Governor
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I know myself, Rhiana and every other Tryker wants the killer brought to justice
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I hear Ulyros is progressing well
Roggan adgan shout: What kind of punishment are you thinking about, assuming the killer will be captured?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: If I was elected governor I would let him continue independently, but with the full support of the Tryker state
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: If the killer was captured?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Why first a trial and then prison if found guilty
Roggan adgan shout: Assuming the killer will be captured, yes
Rehn kirran says: kill em for shure
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I am against torture
Rehn kirran says: skin em alive I say
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I believe we should treat our enemies as we would want to be treated
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Although he deserves imprisonment
Rehn kirran says: heh
Roggan adgan shout: I see.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: For a long time in my personal opinion
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Anything else Roggan?
O'biggan brassen says: *whispers, don't look at my man Mioette
Deputy Governor Shinder shout: at current we are not condoning torture
Rehn kirran says: as you would be treated
Rehn kirran says: *chuckles*
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Of course not, and that would continue were I to be elected
Learoy shilly shout: I am surprised at Lady Aliens stance, surely that is not the best move that could be done!
Mioette says: sorry OBiggan
O'biggan brassen says:
Roggan adgan shout: Share us your thoughts, Learoy
Rehn kirran shout: what move?
O'biggan brassen shout: Skipper
Learoy shilly shout: I mean, nothing is more simple then passing on a law that forbids the use of goo guns!
Shaly Nara shouts: I agree with Lady Ailan, torture is definitely not an option.
Rehn kirran shout: HMF
Lakera says: Agreed, Shaly
Learoy shilly shout: with that, we just have to make sure everybody with goo guns has to be found, and so we will find who was behind the killing
Learoy shilly shout: just one law, it is almost too easy!
Rehn kirran shout: some exceptions perhaps...
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Are you saying you would sidetrack Ulyros investigation Learoy?
Rehn kirran says: *mutters something about poor Still*
O'biggan brassen says: *rolls eyes at Learoy*
Skipper says: laws for everything that lad.
Learoy shilly shout: if it were up to the Tryker Defense Standardization Union, such a weapon would not even exist, and we would not have been needing Ulyros, Lady Ailan
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: You would police all of Atys?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: And how would you intend to do this?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Invade all the other nations?
Learoy shilly shout: and are we sure, he follows the tryker laws, as he is a Fyros!
Lakera says: it's a fair question Learoy...
Skipper says: We have laws?
Learoy shilly shout: no, no, of course not, we would just agree with other nations with some basic laws.
Learoy shilly shout: like I said, it is very simple!
O'biggan brassen says: *thinks she needs a drink now*
Shaly Nara says: Too much bureaucracy that boy
Learoy shilly shout: the rest would just follow its course
Roggan adgan shout: That will prove to be easier said that done
Rehn kirran shout: more drinks for all Trykers!
Roggan adgan shout: Unless anyone would like to respond, let's move on to the next issue
Rehn kirran shout: end Taxation on booze!
O'biggan brassen says: *giggles
O'biggan brassen says: and candy Rehn don't forget candy
Rehn kirran shout: just some suggestions you mind...
Roggan adgan shout: Rehn, could you please stop speaking out of turn
Roggan adgan shout: On to the issue, taxation
Roggan adgan shout: And no, Rehn, we aren't talking about booze here.
Roggan adgan shout: What do the candidates think about the current rates of taxation on imported weapons?
Skipper shout: Well, I don't really understand economicals, but we need money to develop Tryker and it has to come from somewhere. Maybe tax the foreigners like the Council of Pirates used to.
Roggan adgan shout: You could have done some investigation on this subject Skipper
Roggan adgan says: Shaly, share us your thoughts please
Shaly Nara says: The tax is fine.
Rehn kirran shout: he has done some research
Rehn kirran shout: I think
Rehn kirran shout: sounds good to me
Shaly Nara says: But I plan to help those who wish to, to learn how to create the weapons from other lands. To broaden our skills
Roggan adgan shout: There have been various complaints though, it turned out to be a percent higher than last year
Rehn kirran shout: percent for drinks?
Rehn kirran says: that adds up you know
Shaly Nara shouts: If someone wants something special made from another land either they can pay for it or they can make it themselves. Trykers should empower themselves to be self sufficient.
Lakera says: hear, hear!
Skipper shout: Nobody liked taxes, get rid of 'em for Trykers.
Learoy shilly says: create weapons from other lands? I, Learoy Shilly, speaker for the Tryker Defense Standardization Union will surely will stand against that!
Roggan adgan shout: Learoy, go on please.
Shaly Nara shouts: Why Learoy? Don't want the tryker to learn new skills and to always depend on the other lands?
Lakera says: Answer the lady Learoy!
Skipper shout: don't be silly Learoy, we can learn from other lands. Remember the Tryker code and we can all share, don't need taxes to do that. Just be generous and good hearted.
Rehn kirran shout: where are you all Trykers? Get to Lorias Rise for debates!
Learoy shilly shout: we already have too many different weapons! We dont need that much more!
Learoy shilly shout: it gets all too complicated with that!
Shaly Nara says: You are a silly boy Learoy. Broadening our skills improves us.
Roggan adgan shout: Excellent point Skipper
Rehn kirran says: I like my gun
Roggan adgan shout: Anything else to add?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I do
Rehn kirran says: and my sword
Learoy shilly shout: it is s Fyros gun, Rehn!
Shaly Nara shouts: with more skills we can truly become a self sufficient race.
Rehn kirran says: they make good guns
Learoy shilly shout: according to the proposal I wrote, that is not possible!
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: If I was elected governor, I would take an advised look at taxation
Roggan adgan shout: Let us listen to Lady Ailan
Skipper says: And that's a foreign dress you're wearing Learoy, you big Jessie.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Still Wyler was a wise man, and kept taxes at a decent level for all
Shaly Nara shouts: Yes Learoy with your new laws the Trykers will never be free
Skipper says: *blows a raspberry at Learoy*
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I aim to continue this trend
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Taxes are fine for now, but being a governor is a life long commitment
Roggan adgan shout: Rehn, could you please put away that weapon
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I pledge to keep taxes at a minimum sustainable level
Rehn kirran shout: pff
Roggan adgan shout: Thank you, Lady
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: funding what we need, and giving any left over to the poor
Rehn kirran shout: lawers
Learoy shilly shout: I think we have too complicated taxes! We should just have one tax for everything!
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I havent finished if you mind?
Shaly Nara shouts: The taxes are fair as they are now. If we better ourselves then those taxes will no longer be a complaint for many
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: On the subject of trade, my colleagues seem to underestimate its importance
Roggan adgan shout: Go on.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: It strengthens the economy of all Trykers
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: It allows us to buy what we need, and sell for more
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: It allows us to build more, and grow faster as a society
Shaly Nara says: Trade important things. Like water, not weapons and armour we can learn to make us.
Rehn kirran shout: I have some issues with trade
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: to isolate ourselves would be foolish as Shaly suggests
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: We would fall behind the other races in such things
Learoy shilly says: I think debates should have standardized lengths of speeches too!
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I am done
: Shaly Nara says: Who said anything about isolation. I'm talking about improving our skills and talents.
Roggan adgan shout: Stay on topic please Learoy
O'biggan brassen says: Oh good grief Learoy
Shaly Nara shouts: You put words in my mouth. I seek to improve us as a race, to make us better at what we craft and what be harvest. There is no isolation there, only improvement
Rehn kirran shout: whose turn?
Learoy shilly says: sorry, Roggan, but our Lady Ailan was rambling, I think
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Maybe I heard you wrong Shaly, werent you suggesting we be more independent?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: it would be foolish to think we can get all we need from the lakelands
Shaly Nara says: Self sufficient and independent is not isolation.
Lakera says: it is quite the opposite actually
Shaly Nara says: for that fact improving our talents and skills will make us much more sought after
Roggan adgan says: Thank you. Unless someone wants to comment on this subject
Shaly Nara says: I never said I'd abolish trade. But there are things we can learn to do on our own. Leave trade to important things.
Learoy shilly says: *mutters* too many skills and talents leads to fragmentation, which becomes a weakness!
Shaly Nara says: Why should I rely on a Fyros for mats when I can learn to dig in the desert myself.
Korreal says: Will trade not improve our relationship with the other nations?
Roggan adgan shout: Hold up candidates.
Rehn kirran shout: I agree Trykers need to be self strong and reliant
Learoy shilly says: because we got standards for it, Shaly!
Shaly Nara says: Korreal, will my ability to dig Fyros mats not make me more valuable to the Fyros?
Roggan adgan shout: Let us hear the homins too. Thank you for joining in the discussion Korreal
Lakera says: a well-made point Shaly *nods*
Rehn kirran shout: they Fyros are good homins
Korreal says: Perhaps it will, but then will they not think that you are proving yourself greater than they in their own land? The Fyros are a proud people after all
Skipper says: Drink a lot too...
Rehn kirran shout: we should join with them more
Roggan adgan shout: Rehn, stay on subject
Rehn kirran shout: in all areas
Skipper says: Maybe we could raise export duty on Stinga rum to let our smugglers and pirates turn a bigger profit...
Rehn kirran shout: whats the current question?
Shaly Nara shouts: We have a long history with the Fyros. I see no reason why that needs to be shattered. If we can help them then they will help us.
Roggan adgan shout: Rehn, if you do not manage to pay attention due to the high rates of alcohol in your blood, please leave the stage or listen to the candidates who did manage to stay sober for minutes. Thank you
Skipper says: Their use of fire is fascinating, and needed for the steam engines.
Shaly Nara shouts: If I can help a Fyros crafter improve by digging mats for him, will he not be grateful for my skill?
Roggan adgan shout: Skipper, back to the subject please.
Korreal says: You make a good point there Shaly
Roggan adgan shout: Let's keep the subject in the group though.
Rehn kirran shout: but with all respect the topic keeps shifting
Lakera says: I should say he will honour you for that Shaly. This ethic can only strengthen our bonds with our neighbours.
Roggan adgan shout: Korreals question was:
Roggan adgan says: Wouldnt trade improve the relations with other nations?
Shaly Nara says: I use Fyros as an example. But it goes for any land
Roggan adgan shout: Shaly, let's give the others some speaking time too
Skipper shout: yes it would.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Of course trade improves relations, it improves the situation in both partners if done right
Rehn kirran says: whose answer?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I am all for strong trade with all races
Roggan adgan shout: Thank you
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I would like to strengthen ties with the Fyros too
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I feel we can gain much from increased trade with them
Rehn kirran shout: I think Trade with other nations is very important to keep Trykers happy and healthy
Roggan adgan shout: Thank you, candidates
Rehn kirran shout: especially trade in Kitin parts!
Roggan adgan shout: Homins, are there any questions from your side for the candidates?
Roggan adgan shout: Anything that can be discussed.
Lakera says: What, other than propagating all of Atys with flushing toilets, does Skipper have to say on the subject of trade links?
Korreal says: Are the Trykers not a free people, we share and trade with all. Trade should not be tied down to patriotism.
Roggan adgan shout: Please respond to Korreal. One by one please.
Roggan adgan shout: Skipper?
Learoy shilly shout: yes I agree Korreal; we should trade the same with all countries
Rehn kirran shout: yes I think the Kitin Question should be addressed
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I agree with Korreal, patriotism has nothing to do with trade
Wombat says: can we not have a skill the make drinks too boost stats or heal us
Learoy shilly shout: no different trades with different countries
Roggan adgan shout: Rehn, the Kitin subject shall be discussed later this evening
Skipper says: *looks back and forth confused about which question and whether he should be answering or not.*
Learoy shilly shout: that way we can make sure we won't get weapons that are not standardized as well
Mioette says: *gets drink out*
Lakera says: Let the Skipper have his say! (This should be funny)
O'biggan brassen says: *gets candy out*
Skipper shout: Um... trade is good, I want to learn technomological tricks from the other Homin peoples. But I think if we have to tax, we should tax strangers, not other Tryker.
O'biggan brassen says: Lakera!!
Lakera says: that was almost coherent Skipper!
Roggan adgan shout: I thought we had closed the tax discussion, but thanks anyway.
Skipper shout: Was it? *surprised*
Korreal says: Once again I say, we are Trykers, we should be equal and fair to all Homins
Lady Ailan Mackean says: *hands skipper a glass of water*
Skipper shout: We should! We should just be EXTRA fair to us.
Shaly Nara shouts: what I have said about improving our skills and talents leads to better trade and more trade. Improve ourselves and we improve our trade
Lakera says: that's more like it Skipper...You almost had me thinking you could string an entire non-technology sentence together
Mioette says: but more equal and fair for Trykers because we're smaller and cuter! )
Rehn kirran shout: Skipper can we build ships to hunt Kitins in addition to taxing foreign merchants?
Lakera says: *steels herself for more nonsense*
Roggan adgan shout: That was more or less a good question Rehn. We can move on to the Kitin subject unless anyone has anything to say about trades?
Skipper shout: Technology brings wealth, I've already got a prototype of a dapper duplicating machine that'll make us all vastly wealthy. And of course, ships will be made available for hunting kitin, once I fix the whole sinking
Rehn kirran shout: I already said Im all for more trade
Learoy shilly shout: Counterfeighting!!
Skipper shout: I was thinking maybe a boat that was designed to sink from the start might be a good way around it.
Lakera says: *rolls her eyes at Skipper*
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Youre going to launder dappers?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: in an elected position?
Skipper shout: Laundry? No! Make money.
Learoy shilly shout: that is not allowed according to agreements with other standardization councils!
Skipper shout: Seems like there's never enough around, I thought, why not make more!
O'biggan brassen says: isnt skipper adorable "_
Korreal says: Some of these suggestions go against things I consider to be unique qualities in Trykers
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I agree Korreal
Lakera says: that's one word for him O'Biggan...raving lunatic would be two more
Rhiana Wyler says: he sure is hooked on boats one way or another
Roggan adgan shout: Skipper, thanks, but there is no need to share your illegal activities with us
Skipper shout: Illegal?
Learoy shilly shout: yes there are lots of laws against that skipper
Rehn kirran shout: more dappers sound good
Learoy shilly shout: although we should have fewer laws for that...
Rehn kirran shout: who makes them anyway??
Roggan adgan shout: fewer laws, Learoy?
Rehn kirran shout: someone has to
Lakera says: everything about this candidate is questionable! I put it to you, is Skipper fit to stand for this esteemed office?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I thought you were for more laws earlier Learoy?
Skipper shout: Bah, too many laws, and you want to add to them Learoy. I think we should just do what we feel is right.
Learoy shilly shout: yes, less laws, just a couple of simple laws, not all that difficult laws
O'biggan brassen says: Lakera, please that is my skipper
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: changing your mind to suit your mood?
Roggan adgan shout: And how would you simplify laws, Learoy?
Learoy shilly shout: no no! you do not get it! We need simple laws and standardization!
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: youre making it up as you go along
Learoy shilly shout: that will make it much easier for all Trykers to live!
Rehn kirran shout: but I think Trykers can enrich their banks with selling Kitin parts
Shaly Nara shouts: Learoy the world is not black and white. A single set of laws will not work
Skipper shout: Well these laws stopping me making dapper machines sound silly to me.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: With standardization we'd loose our freedom
Skipper shout: what next! Banning stills for making rum?!?
Korreal says: Laws cannot be simple; if they are too simple people will find ways around them
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: we'd become closer to the slavers than Trykers
O'biggan brassen says: Oohh
Mioette says: they'll find ways around them anyway, silly!
Roggan adgan shout: Thank you Korreal. Let's see what they have to say to that
Learoy shilly shout: no we do not lose our freedom; we have the Tryker Defense Standardization Union for that!
Rehn kirran shout: Trykers dont need laws
Learoy shilly says: *looks at time*
Rehn kirran shout: we're free born like the wind!
Learoy shilly shout: ooooh, is it that late already?
Lakera says: you have somewhere more important to be Learoy?
Skipper shout: People always find their way around laws anyway, get rid of the blasted things and just act like decent Homin.
Shaly Nara shouts: Laws should guild us, not rule us.
Korreal says: But decency comes from those laws
Shaly Nara says: (guide)
Rehn kirran shout: We just need one law to kill Kitins imo
Roggan adgan shout: Skipper, keep it realistic please.
Learoy shilly shout: sorry, Roggan, I have a meeting with the Tryker Defense Standardization Union, we have an important meeting about standardization of tryker armor as topic today
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Laws are important, but they should not restrict our freedom where possible
Rhiana Wyler shout: so tell me, just to get this debate into something closely resembling a governor election, what should be done about the slavers?
Shaly Nara shouts: Who needs a law to kill the kitin. They are a threat.
Rehn kirran shout: and Tryker certainly don't need to be told that!
Skipper shout: bilgewater! It's our decency that makes us make up laws, thinking they'll help; you don't need the law to tell you right from wrong.
Learoy shilly shout: so I should leave now!
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: more important than this Learoy?
Roggan adgan shout: I see. Then I hope you made a good impression to the audience today, Learoy
Learoy shilly shout: of course, Lady Ailan!
Skipper shout: Slavers?
Learoy shilly shout: imagine different tryker armors!
Roggan adgan shout: Easy people!
Learoy shilly shout: it would be terrible!!
Lakera says: oh push off Learoy, if that's all you have to contribute
Shaly Nara shouts: The Slavers should be disbanded and imprisoned.
Roggan adgan shout: Learoy, we are having a discussion and you are about to leave. Thank you
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Mr. Rehn has come up with a plan for dealing with the slavers
Roggan adgan says: Share us your plan, Rehn
Rehn kirran shout: Ah my main focus at the moment is the Slavers
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I and Shaly are joining him to take on these bandits
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I believe we are setting off in a few days Rehn?
Shaly Nara shouts: Yes we shall remove them from the face of this planet
Rehn kirran shout: The slavers have been terrorizing us for too long
Skipper shout: couldn't we try diplomacy? With my machines they wouldn't need slaves.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: They are an important problem that requires tackling
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I agree they should not have a foothold in our land, or any land
Roggan adgan shout: Skipper, let them speak. When they are done, comment
Rehn kirran shout: and we need to finally and categorically get rid of them
Roggan adgan shout: Rehn, from what I hear you are leading this expedition
Rehn kirran shout: Slavers are no good
Rehn kirran shout: they scare away the merchants
Shaly Nara shouts: Diplomacy doesn't work with those who torture and enslave us
Rehn kirran shout: disrupting life and drinking
Shaly Nara shouts: treat them as they have treated other Homins.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: We need to stop them and I support such action
Rehn kirran shout: I mean food supplies
Korreal says: I agree that they are a problem but to remove them completely and without any attempt to change these people
Korreal says: Does that not make us as bad as they are?
Roggan adgan shout: Excellent point Korreal
Shaly Nara shouts: There have been attempts by Homins in the past. They don't listen.
Rehn kirran shout: Well Lady Ailan Id appreciate your support
Roggan adgan shout: Which will also be the last point of tonights debate
Rehn kirran shout: you could even vote for me at the election!
Skipper shout: Every tribe has sponsors, these slavers included, I'm just worried about upsetting them. That's why I think removing any need for slaves, with machines, would be a better plan, and wouldn't tick off the Kami or the
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: The slaver camps need removing, the slavers themselves need re-educating or imprisonment or exile depending on the situation and trial
Lakera says: It's all machines, gizmos and wotsits with you Skipper. I'd be more inclined to have faith in you if your only public escapade to date hadn't ended in fiasco...
Shaly Nara shouts: Korreal The attempt has been made by Homins in the past. Homins of not only Tryker race, but of other races too have tried to talk to them and have only been met with hostility. So we shall remove them once and for all
Skipper says: You don't learn if you don't try missy!
Skipper says: And you often learn more from failure than success.
O'biggan brassen says: it wasn't his fault Lakera
Roggan adgan shout: Remove them? As in mass-slaughter?
O'biggan brassen says: and he knows more now
Rehn kirran shout: who ever supports the slavers needs to reconsider their stances
Lakera says: yes...and try, and try, and try...Let me know when you achieve success and I'll be the first Homin to shake you by the hand
Korreal says: Have we not learnt from failed attempts with the slavers how not to deal with them, so we may try a different method?
Shaly Nara shouts: Disband and imprison them for their crimes. Some may die, but that will only happen if we are met with violence.
Rehn kirran shout: and Trykers need to reconsider ties with supporters of Slavers too
Skipper says: Well, maybe if the Karavan would tell us more we'd develop faster. As it is we have to keep experimenting.
Rehn kirran shout: we Trykers don't have a large prison system
Rehn kirran shout: I suppose we could ship them to the desert
Riveit says: I have a question for Rehn. Since we have seen you lead battles while intoxicated, how can we trust that you wouldn't drunkenly drive the Tryker ship of state on to a reef?
Shaly Nara shouts: That's because we don't need one Rehn. But we have enough to handle these bandits
Skipper shout: Mindless slaughter makes us no better than them, I think giving them things so they don't need slaves is abettor way.
Korreal says: I am not a supporter of slavers, I am merely trying to uphold the way that our people ought to deal with a situation such as this
Mioette says: we could use the lakes- imprison them on the lake floor using weights on their feet!
Roggan adgan shout: Alternative punishment methods are indeed interesting to talk about
Rehn kirran shout: but I saw this week we should go and make our displeasure known to the Slaver camps!
Lakera says: Bravo Riveit!
Rehn kirran shout: *I say
Shaly Nara shouts: A very interesting idea Mioette
Sxarlet says: *pant pant* sorry forgot the time digging...
Lady Ailan Mackean shouts: Rehn will you answer Riveits question?
Korreal says: But again the idea is more like torture
Rehn kirran shout: good idea Mioette
Rehn kirran shout: along with the kitin parts we dont use!
Roggan adgan shout: Alternative punishment methods people
Mioette says: they are slavers, Korreal, how much worse could they be??
Shaly Nara shouts: Korrean we will enter their camp tomorrow peacefully to disband them and arrest them. But do not think for once second we will not defend ourselves if attacked.
Korreal says: If there must be deaths at least have them be noble deaths, not a sport
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I disprove of inhumane torture
Mioette says: they're slavers, let them die like they lived!
Lady Ailan Mackean shouts: Imprisonment or exile
Rhiana Wyler says: it is uncivilized!
Skipper says: You mean wealthy and waited on hand and foot?
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: Still Wyler stood against torture
Shaly Nara shouts: They do not deserve my mercy. They are slavers. As Mioette says, let them die like they have lived.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I know Rhiana does too
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: and so do me
Mioette says: without any honour and mercy, I was thinking
Rehn kirran shout: yes we've given the Slavers more chances than they have left!
Sxarlet says: talking about Wyler, I have a question concerning his legacy
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: I will not stand by to see any Homin be tortured
Skipper says: Well savings wrong, but so is killing. At least a slave is still alive and can get free! Like we all did.
Korreal says: I expect of a governor a certain talent to resolve a situation peacefully
Lakera says: looks like you have a little competition for Skipper's affections there O'B
Pipp says: I think we, as free thinkers, need to give the Slavers a choice. Exile or death
O'biggan brassen says: shut it Lakera
Skipper shout: Look, I really don't like this killing thing. The Matis kept us all as slaves once, we forgave 'em and now we're friends! Can't we do that with these slavers?
Roggan adgan shout: Excellent point Pipp
Greenivy says
Rehn kirran shout: we've given the slaves choices as I said
Shaly Nara shouts: Skipper we plan to enter peacefully. It will be up to them if they wish to make it violent
Rehn kirran shout: the Slavers
Pipp says: give them the choice, leave w/in the week or face the consequences
Skipper shouts: You turn up, all guns and swords they're going to jump to conclusions.
Greenivy says: someone is confusing us with the zorai
Lady Ailan Mackean shouts: No violence except as a last resort
Shaly Nara says: No then they'll just find a new hiding spot and we'll have to find them again.
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: That is how Still Wyler led
Roggan adgan shout: Thank you thank you homins and candidates
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: that is how I shall follow
Rehn kirran shout: yes Shaly but surely no doubt they will not be peaceful
Roggan adgan shout: We will have another debate soon
Rehn kirran shout: so prepare for war!
Mioette says: It was Loria who free our ancestors; she had to fight to do it!!
Pipp says: then that is the choice they make and they face the consequences
Lakera says: *wonders whether Roggan has it in him to bring this debate to order*
Roggan adgan shout: Feel free to discuss, the official debate is over though.
Lady Ailan Mackean shouts: Thank you for being such an excellent host Roggan
Lady Ailan Mackean shout: and thank you to my fellow candidates for a fine debate
Shaly Nara says: No, peaceful diplomatic means have been tried. No mercy.
Roggan adgan shout: Likewise,
Skipper says: That were horrible, I need a drink
Deputy Governor Shinder says: well handled indeed my dear Roggan
Roggan adgan shout: Thank you homins, we appreciate your concern
Lakera says: Hey Skipper, looks like Mioette is quite taken with your lady. Still advocate peace under all circumstances?
Shaly Nara shouts: Thank you homins
Skipper says: All those staring eyes and questions.
Lady ailan Mackean says: Thank you for attending my friends
Rehn kirran shout: Thank you homins
Lady Ailan Mackean says: I hope you enjoyed the debates
Rhiana Wyler says: You did so well tonight my dear
Lady Ailan Mackean says: come Rhiana, we have much to discuss
Sxarlet says: awe so much to ask, and so less time
Skipper says: You, lass, are mean spirited, and I don't like you.
Lady Ailan Mackean says: thank you
Lakera says: a pleasure as always Shaly
Rhiana Wyler says: My late husband would have been proud
Roggan adgan shout: Keep your eyes for news on upcoming debates
Rehn kirran shout: anyone offering to buy me and skipper drinks will be considered for govment positions
An Election in Tryker
Moderators: The Soothsayer, Lanist, Xaphon Zessen
Re: An Election in Tryker
Homins, I post here for you the texts of the speeches made last night before the slaver campaign, as they include some interesting information about the tribes in the lakelands.
Ailan's Speech
Trykers and fellow Homins,
Shaly Nara, Marshall Rehn and I have discussed politics and debated issues. Yet it is action and direction that is often desired of a Governor.
There are both allies and enemies of the Tryker people in our own lands, often many only hear a name or see a patrol on the move.
But really many do not know who these tribes folk are. So we shall speak a little on each tribe.
Marshall Rehn will discuss the Kami tribes, followed by Shaly Nara for the Karavan tribes, then our proposal of action.
Rehn's Speech
Thank you Ailan.
Although as a people we largely revere the goddess Jena, there are many who follow the Kami ways.
Perhaps best known are the Corsairs. Warriors, sometimes robbers, the Corsairs have been more an ally than a foe, as in time of need, they rally to the cause of the people.
Their siding to the Kami is of convenience as well as a respect of the spirits of nature and youth.
The Beachcombers of Enchanted Isle are perhaps the most mystical of the tribes of the Lakes, very much a tribe that keeps to themselves.
They spend much time meditating on the magics of Atys, as they did in old Trykoth.
They for obvious reason favour Kami and zorai friends, but are not hostile to the Tryker state.
The last of the Kami tribes are the Lagoon Brothers of the Lagoons of Loria.
They are anarchic and dangerous folk.
Many are outcast, criminals and rebels. They seek to destroy pillage and loot.
They have no love of Fairhaven or for that matter any of the races' governments.
This savage and murderous tribe favours the Kami for their wild and powerful aspects.
Shaly will discuss the Karavan tribes.
Shaly's Speech
We tryker do favour the ways of Jena, on the whole as such many of the tribes of the past became part of the Trykoth itself, often becoming guilds.
There are still many Karavan tribes in Aedan Aqueous, who prefer for reasons of their own an amount of independence.
The Silt Sculptors are an ancient tribe, who are now settled in Winds of Muse.
They are crafters who sought more peaceful and quite places away from the hustle and bustle of the cities.
Named for originally living among the spirits of the dead, paying homage to their ancestors by crafting beautiful items, they now live simple lives dedicated to their crafts.
Their work is much appreciated by many, notably their own people and the Matis. Their designs of the varied outpost drills are their most noticeable works.
The Karavan lend support to their creativity where as the Kami seems less inclined to favour patient crafts and the gathering of resources.
The Smugglers, based in Fount, are just that, Smugglers. They trade and transport goods, evading laws and tariffs if it suits their needs.
They are not above robbery or attacks if they feel it is profitable and they have the numbers.
All are considered customers, so they favour no-one especially, but may regard Zorai as more hostile.
They trade with the Karavan for many goods, and have no trade with the Kami with whom they consider narrow-minded.
The Smugglers are not hostile to the state; they value profit and trade too much.
Slavery is very important to Trykers. The Matis who enslaved us over two centuries ago taught us the misery of this existence.
Since the time of our liberation we Trykers have been the forefront of Homin liberty.
Slavery now is a shadowy hidden trade, yet the Slaver tribe still conducts slaving activity, as well as hunting and skinning of primitives.
They seek profit and a destabilized Tryker government, they see Matis and Fyros as allies, though often misguided, there is significant trade with the races.
The Karavan tolerate their activity due to the trade they offer, while the Kami dislike the cull on the primitive tribes.
Lady Ailan will now state our joint proposal
Ailan's 2nd Speech
We three have determined that there are two tribes that represent a significant threat to the tryker state, that actively seek to destabilize the authority of Fairhaven and the liberties we seek for our people.
The tribes of the Slavers and the Lagoon Brothers need to be shown the firm resolves of the Tryker state.
These tribes are enemies of the state and seriously threaten trade, security and moral principles.
We recognise that the support they have from respective cults will not allow us at this stage to eliminate the tribes.
But we Trykers can certainly send a clear message that their activities are not desired nor wanted in Aedan Aqueous.
So we call to all gather and to join us in demonstrating to these tribes that liberty is not tolerant of criminals and freedom is fought for.
For those who feel attacking is wrong, think again, these tribes have no love for Tryker citizens and nationals.
Please gather yourselves in teams; we will strike the Lagoon Brothers and then after we shall strike at the Slavers.
Ailan's Speech
Trykers and fellow Homins,
Shaly Nara, Marshall Rehn and I have discussed politics and debated issues. Yet it is action and direction that is often desired of a Governor.
There are both allies and enemies of the Tryker people in our own lands, often many only hear a name or see a patrol on the move.
But really many do not know who these tribes folk are. So we shall speak a little on each tribe.
Marshall Rehn will discuss the Kami tribes, followed by Shaly Nara for the Karavan tribes, then our proposal of action.
Rehn's Speech
Thank you Ailan.
Although as a people we largely revere the goddess Jena, there are many who follow the Kami ways.
Perhaps best known are the Corsairs. Warriors, sometimes robbers, the Corsairs have been more an ally than a foe, as in time of need, they rally to the cause of the people.
Their siding to the Kami is of convenience as well as a respect of the spirits of nature and youth.
The Beachcombers of Enchanted Isle are perhaps the most mystical of the tribes of the Lakes, very much a tribe that keeps to themselves.
They spend much time meditating on the magics of Atys, as they did in old Trykoth.
They for obvious reason favour Kami and zorai friends, but are not hostile to the Tryker state.
The last of the Kami tribes are the Lagoon Brothers of the Lagoons of Loria.
They are anarchic and dangerous folk.
Many are outcast, criminals and rebels. They seek to destroy pillage and loot.
They have no love of Fairhaven or for that matter any of the races' governments.
This savage and murderous tribe favours the Kami for their wild and powerful aspects.
Shaly will discuss the Karavan tribes.
Shaly's Speech
We tryker do favour the ways of Jena, on the whole as such many of the tribes of the past became part of the Trykoth itself, often becoming guilds.
There are still many Karavan tribes in Aedan Aqueous, who prefer for reasons of their own an amount of independence.
The Silt Sculptors are an ancient tribe, who are now settled in Winds of Muse.
They are crafters who sought more peaceful and quite places away from the hustle and bustle of the cities.
Named for originally living among the spirits of the dead, paying homage to their ancestors by crafting beautiful items, they now live simple lives dedicated to their crafts.
Their work is much appreciated by many, notably their own people and the Matis. Their designs of the varied outpost drills are their most noticeable works.
The Karavan lend support to their creativity where as the Kami seems less inclined to favour patient crafts and the gathering of resources.
The Smugglers, based in Fount, are just that, Smugglers. They trade and transport goods, evading laws and tariffs if it suits their needs.
They are not above robbery or attacks if they feel it is profitable and they have the numbers.
All are considered customers, so they favour no-one especially, but may regard Zorai as more hostile.
They trade with the Karavan for many goods, and have no trade with the Kami with whom they consider narrow-minded.
The Smugglers are not hostile to the state; they value profit and trade too much.
Slavery is very important to Trykers. The Matis who enslaved us over two centuries ago taught us the misery of this existence.
Since the time of our liberation we Trykers have been the forefront of Homin liberty.
Slavery now is a shadowy hidden trade, yet the Slaver tribe still conducts slaving activity, as well as hunting and skinning of primitives.
They seek profit and a destabilized Tryker government, they see Matis and Fyros as allies, though often misguided, there is significant trade with the races.
The Karavan tolerate their activity due to the trade they offer, while the Kami dislike the cull on the primitive tribes.
Lady Ailan will now state our joint proposal
Ailan's 2nd Speech
We three have determined that there are two tribes that represent a significant threat to the tryker state, that actively seek to destabilize the authority of Fairhaven and the liberties we seek for our people.
The tribes of the Slavers and the Lagoon Brothers need to be shown the firm resolves of the Tryker state.
These tribes are enemies of the state and seriously threaten trade, security and moral principles.
We recognise that the support they have from respective cults will not allow us at this stage to eliminate the tribes.
But we Trykers can certainly send a clear message that their activities are not desired nor wanted in Aedan Aqueous.
So we call to all gather and to join us in demonstrating to these tribes that liberty is not tolerant of criminals and freedom is fought for.
For those who feel attacking is wrong, think again, these tribes have no love for Tryker citizens and nationals.
Please gather yourselves in teams; we will strike the Lagoon Brothers and then after we shall strike at the Slavers.
Heed my words!