What Happend ,wrote by Fasinus

[alibasil]

do we know who Padawan's acomplice is?

Yeah I'm with Jayce on buying Souls' drinks and adding extra shots of vodka (RL truth serum) until all comes out!!!

[kyesmith]

It's like you never went away.

The story is very entertaining, if one-sided, view of about 5% of the entire tiresome affair. Unfortunately we do not have the luxury of being able to tell all in public. Mind you that's probably just as well for some of those involved as it would show them in a very different light.

I would love to hear the full story cos as far as i was aware fasi's post was spot on- i know you cant tell everyone on the forums but if you have a moment after this has all blown over i would really like to hear it.
Whats happened has happened all i would like to know is the reasoning behind the punishments mainly in fasi's case.

[sluggo0]

I'm getting kind of tired of seeing someone's name all over the place (including IN game), when that someone was supposed to be banned. This is all getting very old and frankly I don't care "what happened". Nevrax knows what happened, and they dealt with it as they saw fit - that SHOULD have been the end of the story.

I'm really sorry to say it, but I agree.. this 'in your face nevrax, i'll let my banned buddy post on my account', is mocking the moderators openly, and the CSR's and questioning their decision.

You don't have to like the way Nevrax runs their game, but if someone is banned, they should be banned, and make their appeals privately.

There has been nearly more posts from 'banned' players than anyone else. Can the mods please take this to a private forum somehow? If the poster won't respect your ruling, they should be admonished in some way too.

One person's view of it isn't fair to either Keiko or Padawan, either, clearly Fasi isn't just some innocent victim if the CSR's investigated everything and saw fit to ban a paying customer. It's their game, and please can we respect their right to enforce certain guidelines and rules?

Sorry if this sounds all negative, but it's supposed to be just an appeal to the mods to keep banned players from taking over our forums. Thanks.

[soulsnatcher]

Ok seriously guys, can we turn these forums back to that thing, oh what is it, oh yeah, you know, the game. Remember that? Way more fun to talk about and discuss than all this.

[rellis]

I say fair play, let the banned peeps have their say.

The forums were packed with discussion about this and most people came to conclusion that the account sharing was wrong to some extent whilst people had varying thoughts on how this should be punished, All of the time we did not hear the side of those punished, to hear their explanation i believe is very important in order to get closure on this topic, fair enough there will be biased accounts but if they all put their explanations up, the people shall decide.That is wat matters in this mature community, its not as if the accounts or explanations are influencing non-sceptical and impressionable minds.

The whole notion of nobody knowing the 2 sides just fuels rumours, debates, theories and generally keeps this terrible happening fresh in peoples minds. I kno these explanations also keep it fresh but there can only be limited explanations. pondering and guessing over something like this could go on for some time

Also freedom of expression is a well recognised right in the EU and also US and is vital for the survival of democracy.

[ajsuk]

Privacy, also. You'd moan like hell if the CSR came out with it all.
and dont you mean, freedom to speculate?

It has always been, and always will be pointless talking about it as we'll never hear one side of the story. Thats why I didn't take part in the poll and why I havn't commented before now. Just drop it.

[rellis]

Freedom to speculate is not the right term.Speculating is a part of freedom of expression. You express your opinions and if those opinions are speculations well its still you expressing.

I voted 'dont know' as i dont know all the facts.

Yes indeed privacy is a respected right, one which conflicts with freedom of expression all the time, but should we not favour freedom of expression over privacy if it in the interest of all those who play ryzom,?? wat happened was pretty significant and interests many people for many different reasons.the threads in regard to this are getting about 10posts a day and over 500 views a day so obviosly people want to know the truth

How come we will only hear one side of the story?

[kostika]

I've said nothing on the matter, but this is getting annoying. We do not have the right to know what happened in this situation. This is not a democracy. We don't have the right to know anything that happens with our fellow players on disciplinary matters.

Nexvrax and the GMs are the gods of our little SoR world. We should count ourselves lucky they listen to us at all.

So drop it. Fasi has said his peace obviously, if others wish to share their side they'll find a way to do so. But harassing the powers that be to give up the story is just out of order and I'm tired of hearing the whining.

So shut it.

[rellis]

I've said nothing on the matter, but this is getting annoying. We do not have the right to know what happened in this situation. This is not a democracy. We don't have the right to know anything that happens with our fellow players on disciplinary matters.

Nexvrax and the GMs are the gods of our little SoR world. We should count ourselves lucky they listen to us at all.

So drop it. Fasi has said his peace obviously, if others wish to share their side they'll find a way to do so. But harassing the powers that be to give up the story is just out of order and I'm tired of hearing the whining.

So shut it.

Why such a hostile post Kos?

I am not harassing the powers to be to tell all or divulge all this information. wat i clearly said was let the people who are banned to have their say.This would not be nevrax giving out private information. granted they are providing the medium.


The reason i posted in the first place was because i was annoyed the fact that people were giving out about the 'banned' people from having their say. i believe they are entitled to have their say. Is everyone not allowed to have a word in their defence?.

Souls has said before that he will allow us to discuss wat we wish(within reason ofc) as long as it stays flame free and we keep it clean. Your above post is edging towards wat he does not want.

So if all this is annoying you, dont click into the thread. let those who wish to listen to the explanations do so.

[naratuul]

I've said nothing on the matter, but this is getting annoying. We do not have the right to know what happened in this situation. This is not a democracy. We don't have the right to know anything that happens with our fellow players on disciplinary matters.

Nexvrax and the GMs are the gods of our little SoR world. We should count ourselves lucky they listen to us at all.

So drop it. Fasi has said his peace obviously, if others wish to share their side they'll find a way to do so. But harassing the powers that be to give up the story is just out of order and I'm tired of hearing the whining.

So shut it.

Amen.
We don't have the right to know, nor does Fasi have the right to defend himself on these forums. There is no such thing as the right to free speech on a game forum. Nevrax allows us some freedom to express ourselves, but in the end this forum and the game are property of Nevrax and they will do as they see fit.
In no way shape or form does the community have the right to know the whole story since it involves others privacy. Nevrax cannot come forward without violating customer privacy, and frankly it's really nobody's business.

The posters talking about community rule can forget that as well, stupid idea. It will never happen; mob mentality and popularity contests destroy games. Hard but fair decisions based on facts are what seperates us from some "other" games.