The big-ish Issue..

[dazman76]

not having any baggage from other MMO games, I have always thought "carebear" was a useful descriptive term for the actual Kamis, and therefore Kami followers can be accurately descibed as Carebear Worshippers..

If you beleive someone is the good guys because they look cute and cuddly, expect to be laughed at

If it is an official term from the Great MMO Lexicon, the devs shouldnt have made the Kami look like them

I think you may have taken the point the wrong way It's not the word that bothers me - it's the type of person who usually uses it, the context it's used in, and the general lack of intelligence on their behalf. It's used as an insult, as a way of assuming authority over the target due to their 'weakness' in a PvP situation. It's a way of ending an argument, usually when they're in the wrong, and it annoys the hell out of me Try visiting the forums for a PvP based game - RF Online is a good example - you'll see the difference in context quickly. Until you see the context it is used in elsewhere, you won't really understand my reaction.

I'm lost with your 2nd comment - it's not related to what you quoted, that's for sure (if it is I'm missing something)

And yes, it's an 'official' term (chuckle ), that doesn't mean the people using it are intelligent, or even have a point. I can think of lots of official words from the English dictionary that I choose not to use for similar reasons, but the fact they're in the dictionary doesn't make me think I *should* use them.

In the end, it's about personalities and perception - people who use the term are generally complete idiots with a warped, childish view of competing against others, and they prove this with the rest of their posts I don't mind people who are extreme PvP, and see us PvE lovers as soft - but when that's their only injection into what is/was a mature and worthwhile discussion that picks faults with what they do, they do not deserve any respect. And they usually destroy the discussion. Forums are for discussion, not extending the size of your e-peen with "I pwn joo carebear" posts

[iwojimmy]

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I'm lost with your 2nd comment - it's not related to what you quoted, that's for sure (if it is I'm missing something)

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yes, it was pretty much just a gratuitous dig at the Kami side, force of habit and all that

[gudule]

has the OP's any content BESIDES pvp (or gvg)? Leveling the character at double speed isn't exactly content. But getting and keeping the OP might be, and from my point of view it doesn't even have to be violent.

not even logging anymore, not even having more kids with my beloved husband fuchuan, not even geting drunk anymore in Thesos bar, not even trying to seduce the NPCs anymore, not even looking at Sxarlet's spotty face anymore and pulling her leg, not even biting Zahan's blue skin anymore ...

voted "ruined it all"

[aardnebb]

not even logging anymore, not even having more kids with my beloved husband fuchuan, not even geting drunk anymore in Thesos bar, not even trying to seduce the NPCs anymore, not even looking at Sxarlet's spotty face anymore and pulling her leg, not even biting Zahan's blue skin anymore ...

voted "ruined it all"

*misses Zespiole and Ulresile*

Come back soon, please?

[sidusar]

Naib, the problem here is actually not a PvP problem - it's a "PvP and people" problem

Thank you Dazman, that and the rest of your replies pretty much describe my opinion on it better than I could.

If the question is "Has PvP improved the game?", then my answer would be "Yes, it provides opportunities."
If the question is "Has PvP improved the gaming experience?" then my answer would be "No, ryzom feels different, but I can tolerate it."

So I don't know which one to vote on. I can't vote 'Indifferent', I'm definitely not indifferrent.

[petej]

Thank you Dazman, that and the rest of your replies pretty much describe my opinion on it better than I could.

If the question is "Has PvP improved the game?", then my answer would be "Yes, it provides opportunities."
If the question is "Has PvP improved the gaming experience?" then my answer would be "No, ryzom feels different, but I can tolerate it."

So I don't know which one to vote on. I can't vote 'Indifferent', I'm definitely not indifferrent.

lol and youve just summed it up for me too , PvP is necessary and id prefer there were more options for it realy , though I dont like "random" PvP , Events/Outpost/Spire Battles (maybe some GvG too , lol if I ever rejoin a proper Guild) are the only times id get involved

Cult Neutrals/Trytonists/Ranger wannabes should be able to engage either of the Cults should they choose by having their own PvP tag , maybe they could declare an alliegence each time they activated it ? Anti-Kami/Anti-Karavan/Anti-Cult(both) ?

Theres also things which I believe arent working as intended atm and could do with a rework , such as Outpost Battles being largely fought as FvF (Cult) , it would be much better if they were GvG imo , Obviously there would need to be a limit on the number of Outposts any one Guild could own to stop one Uber Guild taking them all , over the course of time the strongest Guilds would take control of the Highest/most valuable , leaving the weaker Guilds to fight their way up through the Outpost hirachy (err that aint right SP?) forming a natural Guild ladder , only trouble with this is it would need to be "Guild only" and so exclude some ppl from participating (me :/)

EDIT Oh yes , to prevent ppl from joining a Guild just for an OP Battle youd have to be a member for a certain amount of time (like Guild Fame used to take a week or so to come into effect)

Outpost's themselfs are a long way off what they need to be in terms of usefullness/options/being a part of the game , PvE also needs a crack of the whip but its early days and im going off-topic -again

Spires are the true place for FvF battles , will have to wait n see how that turns out tho so I reserve judgement -could be good , could be bad

For Atys to feel like a real world it needs diversity and "options" to indulge every player (hopefully without imposing too much on others in the process) , lol yes I realy do want it all , atleast available though il also want to pick n chose what to get involved in

[naib73]

I think you may have taken the point the wrong way It's not the word that bothers me - it's the type of person who usually uses it, the context it's used in, and the general lack of intelligence on their behalf. It's used as an insult, as a way of assuming authority over the target due to their 'weakness' in a PvP situation. It's a way of ending an argument, usually when they're in the wrong, and it annoys the hell out of me Try visiting the forums for a PvP based game - RF Online is a good example - you'll see the difference in context quickly. Until you see the context it is used in elsewhere, you won't really understand my reaction.

I'm lost with your 2nd comment - it's not related to what you quoted, that's for sure (if it is I'm missing something)

And yes, it's an 'official' term (chuckle ), that doesn't mean the people using it are intelligent, or even have a point. I can think of lots of official words from the English dictionary that I choose not to use for similar reasons, but the fact they're in the dictionary doesn't make me think I *should* use them.

In the end, it's about personalities and perception - people who use the term are generally complete idiots with a warped, childish view of competing against others, and they prove this with the rest of their posts I don't mind people who are extreme PvP, and see us PvE lovers as soft - but when that's their only injection into what is/was a mature and worthwhile discussion that picks faults with what they do, they do not deserve any respect. And they usually destroy the discussion. Forums are for discussion, not extending the size of your e-peen with "I pwn joo carebear" posts

I absolutly understand your points.... and agree with most. However not everyone who likes pvp is like that... and when the community is mature enough it will outlaw the "pwn joo carebear" types. PvP can be lots of fun but the community has to make it fun.

[karmelit]

I voted: no, ryzom feels different, but I can tolerate it
But after the signing of the new treaty in Nexus last night, I wish I hadn't
Why? My imediate reaction was to run over to an aggro so that I could get killed. After that I would never return to Atys. But Zahan healed me when I was almost dead... even if I asked him to stop.. and killed the beast.

I have chosen the hard path of being neutral in both faction and civ. This attitude stems from me being trained by homins that were elder of atys as a young homin. I just didn't want to stop caring for my friends, from either faction or any civ. Friends stay high on my priority list together with my guild.
This new treaty is turned up side down as related to my priorities.

Sidenote: the few contemplating turning neutral... be warned! You stand only to loose, nothing to gain. If you don't want to be an exile, that is.
Being a Zoraï, I can only buy a ticket in Zora and none in the other towns in Cities of Intuition. Having Zoraï (49 capped from 70) and kami (43) fame means nothing atm

Karm
a humble member of the Samsara

[katriell]

Eh, being neutral also means you can ignore the parts of the treaty you disagree with. So, no harm done.

[sprite]

Eh, being neutral also means you can ignore the parts of the treaty you disagree with. So, no harm done.

While I understand that if you are neutral you can choose to completely not recognise the validity of the treaty, it clearly states that neutrals 'must' act as if they were citizens of their own race (ie if they were born zorai they must obey Mabreka etc)

II. Homins' secondary allegiance is owed to their Nation, determined by citizenship. Homins who have not attained citizenship owe allegiance to the Nation of their race. ... Homins must obey the laws of their Nation without question

It is however oddly silent on the subject of cult-neutral people.