Discussion on OP mat crafting

[vguerin]

It's seeming like using an OP tool to make an OP mat weapon might be the factor, anyone else noticing this ?

[targosz]

Agreed, our crafters tried few times creaft new melee weapons and they were using new tool (Rubarn) and the results were :
4 tries- 3 degrades!
But the problem seems to be linked with q250 mats/ crafting tries.
This is the same with q250 mats from Ops which imo is some kind buged - after raporting the problem to Devs our Ops started to produce q250 mats but in more then tiny amout- 90% mats is still q50 (using this mats for fun craft with SR =60% no degrades were noticed- but hey now I see- new tool wasn't used!!!)
KK will test this asap on q50 mats

[cygnus]

The biggest p*ss take I have noticed with the boost tools is that invariably I will hit for 250 on jewels but very rarely get a boost but give me a degrade and sure enough the boost kicks in. It happens too often to be genuinely random imo.

Fails/degrades over all are much higher than using normal tools, I get on average about 2-3 fails/degrades on a full 250 set using a normal tool, this is easily doubled if using the boost stats tool.

[iphdrunk]

It's seeming like using an OP tool to make an OP mat weapon might be the factor, anyone else noticing this ?

I don't have formal data to back this up but I also got the "feeling" that using op tools increases failures and degrades w.r.t. a regular tool.

That said (no more Q&A anyway) I wish Nevrax could answer the question: how are successes / failures / degrades related? sometimes I even think that it's better to have a skill at 245 rather than 250, since at 250 your success rate is 80% but that 20% tends to be more degrades than failures, while at 245, the fails kick in more often thus not wasting as many mats.

In a past Q&A a partial answer was given, (tool hp does not affect degrades, etc. no point to be naked other than saving gear hp, etc.) but a lot of questions remains :

* How does the system compute the result item? e.g.: the system rolls a 100 dice N and compares it with success rate S. If N <= S the item succeeds, else, it's a 50/50 failure/degrade?. With failures it's uniform between q-150,q-5?

* What kind of pseudo-random number generation system is used? does it have memory? some players say they grind with the op tool till they get 19 failures and then they craft the good items, and seems to work well (not checked). Is this true?

* Do op mats and tools affect the aforementioned system? How? do both things have stackable effects?

* How is the op tool boost applied exactly? as of now, it seems unrelated, applied after the item Q has been generated, thus:
- it is possible to have a degrades item with boosted tool effect, pretty frustrating.
- the applied bonus (armilo) is also uniformy random - and bugged - What's the point of a focus boosted axe?

I know most of them are gameplay related questions and we will not get an answer but well....

[alibasil]

might be the tools.. i got a degrade on a 20 zun amp today with an op tool - a q230 one from a q250 crafter

but the op melee weapons i have been crafting (without an op tool) havent had a degrade yet with about 30 crafts i guess

yeah sorry about that Rushy

I found it a bit hard to swallow, when normally grinding q250 amps technically my success is 84%. With a normal tool and normal amps i found if anything i was hitting over 84%.

With the new tool i was shocked that i degraded a q230 amp which i should have had no problems crafting

[uhuhu]

same for me... i crafted 3 HQ amps Q250 97'97... and 3 amps Q100 :/ 80% sucess rate...

[putterix]

I crafted loads of boosted amps, i get a boost every 15-20.

I crafted 10 OP amps with one degrade, i used the rubbarn tool for

over 500 pairs of q250 amps, and i get degrades on 3-4 of 20

[tylarth]

with crafts of 250 at lvl 250 i seem toget alot of q100 degrades, they're very noticable, as its usually with others sup mats, this is with or without op tools + mats (one recent occasion it took 4 spears for a q250 success, the 3 degrades all q100)

[rundll32]

[QUOTE=cygnus]The biggest p*ss take I have noticed with the boost tools is that invariably I will hit for 250 on jewels but very rarely get a boost but give me a degrade and sure enough the boost kicks in. It happens too often to be genuinely random imo.
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agreed - an alarming amount of my degrades boost - its very annoying. and yeah i thnik the rubarn tool nerfs my sucess rate - also extremely annoying watching precious mats burn...grrrr.....happened way 2 many times to be coincidental - id put my success rate at q250 down to around 60% using the rubarn tool (pure estimate)

[uhuhu]

YEA! well... tried to make a boosted amps 112.112 for a friend..
i used: 200 sup zun Q250 / 70 choice adriel Q250 / 60 choice buo Q250.. for 10 HQ amps..
AND.. after all craft.. first.. no boost.. AND.. 4 amps Q100!§§!
i'm level 250 amps crafting.. so.. 80% sucess rate.. 4 degrade for 10 amps with 80%.. f**k...