daggers SUCK ? what am i doing wrong ?

[jokque]

Just got melee 50 last night and decided i wanted to try daggers, as the pike id used from lvl 30 always was a bit slow and boring

So i spent 40 SP to get my strength up for q70 daggers, got ID5 and accuracy 4 and made a new attack with ID5, Accu4, credit Hp credit 4 (-50, 13 hp consumed, sta credit 9 -50, 25 sta consumed)

I thought i would never need the 600 sta but it actually gets used up so fast i was able to kill 3 vigorous kipees (14 xp kills at my lvl) before it got used up

and not only that, but the damage of the daggers SUCKS, doing 18 dmg with ID5 and the weapons themselves are 38-48

so i went back to my q50 pike, with a ID4 Accu3 attack (with respective hp and sta credits) and do more dmg AND can spam the attack almost forever without running out of hp or sta

i doubt this is the way its supposed to be ?

[hivewasp]

i doubt this is the way its supposed to be ?

With my dagger template I don't even use stamina at all, I just let the damage work on its own. Daggers are way too fast and that in itself compensates for the misses... the only thing I consider really useful with those weapons is the ignore armor thingy, damage per hit is low and I don't want to see it lowered even more by armor.

With good quality daggers, optimized for hits per minutes and damage, you can solo stuff easily without using your stamina; fights are a bit longer than you'd want to, but you don't get hit too often either.

I don't think it's the best damage combo in the game; many people can out damage you; but it's constant and works relatively safely

[suka1]

IMO daggers as they stand are purely for the devoted or cosmetic purposes only. I too used a Pike then wondered about daggers and made some with the best mats I had to my horror.

The things I made were just stamina drainers that seemed to just tickle opponents. I found that for the short time that I used them, all I could use them on were low level mobs that couldnt really do me any harm. Anything else and I had to revert to my lower QL pike to kill without placing myself in mortal danger everytime.

Funny thing is I used duelled daggers almost exclusively during 1st beta without any problems. Surely light weapons such as daggers should use less stamina as it stands now? I think the balance is just wrong at the moment.

[jokque]

yea its redicilous that my daggers with ID5 Accu 4 use the same hp/sta as my pike does, yet deals 1/6 of the dmg

[jokque]

i should mention that i was only using 2 pieces of heavy armor (chest and legs) the rest light, and that i plan to be in teams most of the time, i wanna be a damage dealer ripping a part the enemies when the tank has aggro, but seems thats not gonna happen :/

[wayas]

18dmg? my q20 daggers do up to 42 damage, with a good hit rate too...

your probably doing something wrong ^^

[suka1]

18dmg? my q20 daggers do up to 42 damage, with a good hit rate too...

your probably doing something wrong ^^

The issue isnt the damage its about balance and it not being proportional in terms of stamina use. Get yourself surrounded by 2-3 gingos with your QL20 Daggers then try it again after you die with a Pike and you will see what we are saying.

[hivewasp]

The issue isnt the damage its about balance and it not being proportional in terms of stamina use. Get yourself surrounded by 2-3 gingos with your QL20 Daggers then try it again after you die with a Pike and you will see what we are saying.

What stamina use? You only burn stamina when you cycle an action which isnt really necessary with daggers as the hit rate > accuracy needs, missing a hit with a dagger is less noticeable than with a pike, how much damage between 2 pike hits and a salvo of dagger damage? What about your defense using a pike vs daggers... there's more than just stamina use, if you're using increased damage with daggers, you're doing something wrong.

[jokque]

i didnt say they do UP to 18 dmg, but they shouldnt do 18 dmg on enemies with no armor when the minimum dmg on the daggers are 38

and ive not yet see them do any more than 77 dmg (with max dmg 48 they should do 96) with a good hit

my pike regulary hits for double its max dmg (aprox)

[hivewasp]

i didnt say they do UP to 18 dmg, but they shouldnt do 18 dmg on enemies with no armor when the minimum dmg on the daggers are 38

and ive not yet see them do any more than 77 dmg (with max dmg 48 they should do 96) with a good hit

my pike regulary hits for double its max dmg (aprox)

They won't do double damage because you're wielding 2 not one... try using one alone, you'll have that double damage.