Hello homins. I am curious, is there anyone else who believes as I do? That belief being that Ma'Duk and Jena are figments of imagination and do not exist at all, that the Kami and Karavan are just as blinded and misguided as those who follow them.
Blasphemy, heresy, I know. I do not care. If you are a Kami or Karavan follower who is reading these words, and you take issue with them, cry to your deities. I am sure it will make no difference.
Jaimokai
A note from Jaimokai
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A note from Jaimokai
*as written on a slip of paper posted on a wall in Pyr, near Cerakos Gate*
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long-distance communication | some foods and drinks | Zoraï pictograms
"Ryzom: We dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?" - Acridiel
TeiJeng (Leanon)
ï = ALT+0239 | advice for mission design | Zoraï masks
long-distance communication | some foods and drinks | Zoraï pictograms
"Ryzom: We dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?" - Acridiel
Re: A note from Jaimokai
never saw any kind of text
but not very often in pyr aswel
but not very often in pyr aswel
The Zoraïs are feared mystics from the dark and hidden jungles. In their search for spiritual enlightenment.
Suai Shun
Elder Of Atys
guardian of the tree
twisting the words
Whispers Of Aria
Re: A note from Jaimokai
Jaimokai,
You are not alone in believing that Jena and Ma'Duk are false gods who exist only in the thoughts of their followers. I would, however, like to guide you towards a more enlightened attitude toward the Kami.
Bare with me for a short history lesson.
Once, long before the great swarming, the Zoraï revered the Kami like children to their parents or students to their guru. The Kami helped the Zoraï on their path to enlightenment. Similarly, the Matis honored the Karavan and were in turn taught. But the Matis sought not enlightenment, but power. (or perhaps, they were guided towards power by the Karavan) They put a king above their people who demanded not respect but obedience. To support the way their society was ordered, they began preaching the worship of Jena, a being who was above the Karavan as the king was above the Matis. The relationship of Jena to her homin worshipers was not that of parent/child or teacher/student, but that of king to peasant or master to slave.
When the Matis first met the Zoraï and spoke of Jena, there was some confusion. The Zoraï did not have a word for god; their closest term was Kami. So, when the Matis tried to describe their god Jena, a Zoraï would reply: You mean the Kami Jena? and the Matis said yes. For many cycles the Zoraï though Jena was an unknown type of Kami and thus worthy of reverence. Only later did they realize she was just some maskless tart designed to sway the weak willed (male) members of the species.
The Zoraï who sought refuge in the prime roots during the great swarming were influenced by the Karavan and the Matis. Those who sought power over their fellows saw that having a god to worship would make their followers more inclined to place their rulers above them. Hoi-Chi and his henchman Mabreka, either in madness or in most foul deceit, began spreading the word of Ma'Duk, a hither too unknown formless being who only spoke to and through them. Some began to see this not as a colossal conceit but as enlightenment. Once they seized power, they rewrote the history cubes to portray their opponents as Jena-worshiping madmen. Now, the cult of Ma'Duk is in control through out the Witherings and their temples exist even in the Burning Desert. Were it not for refuges who return from the old lands untainted by the Ma'Duk heresy, memory of the old ways would have faided.
Like all homin, the Zoraï do not need gods, specially when they have the Kami. Honor your ancestors, revere the Kami, and beware madness of our leaders.
You are not alone in believing that Jena and Ma'Duk are false gods who exist only in the thoughts of their followers. I would, however, like to guide you towards a more enlightened attitude toward the Kami.
Bare with me for a short history lesson.
Once, long before the great swarming, the Zoraï revered the Kami like children to their parents or students to their guru. The Kami helped the Zoraï on their path to enlightenment. Similarly, the Matis honored the Karavan and were in turn taught. But the Matis sought not enlightenment, but power. (or perhaps, they were guided towards power by the Karavan) They put a king above their people who demanded not respect but obedience. To support the way their society was ordered, they began preaching the worship of Jena, a being who was above the Karavan as the king was above the Matis. The relationship of Jena to her homin worshipers was not that of parent/child or teacher/student, but that of king to peasant or master to slave.
When the Matis first met the Zoraï and spoke of Jena, there was some confusion. The Zoraï did not have a word for god; their closest term was Kami. So, when the Matis tried to describe their god Jena, a Zoraï would reply: You mean the Kami Jena? and the Matis said yes. For many cycles the Zoraï though Jena was an unknown type of Kami and thus worthy of reverence. Only later did they realize she was just some maskless tart designed to sway the weak willed (male) members of the species.
The Zoraï who sought refuge in the prime roots during the great swarming were influenced by the Karavan and the Matis. Those who sought power over their fellows saw that having a god to worship would make their followers more inclined to place their rulers above them. Hoi-Chi and his henchman Mabreka, either in madness or in most foul deceit, began spreading the word of Ma'Duk, a hither too unknown formless being who only spoke to and through them. Some began to see this not as a colossal conceit but as enlightenment. Once they seized power, they rewrote the history cubes to portray their opponents as Jena-worshiping madmen. Now, the cult of Ma'Duk is in control through out the Witherings and their temples exist even in the Burning Desert. Were it not for refuges who return from the old lands untainted by the Ma'Duk heresy, memory of the old ways would have faided.
Like all homin, the Zoraï do not need gods, specially when they have the Kami. Honor your ancestors, revere the Kami, and beware madness of our leaders.
--- Miss Narr
Last Defender of Zoran
Honor, Tradition, Family, Pie
Last Defender of Zoran
Honor, Tradition, Family, Pie
Re: A note from Jaimokai
look here for how we zorai gain our masks thanks to the kami
http://chronicles.ryzom.com/?page=featu ... n=&id=1695
although i begin to wonder why they want this war i dont see a kami reason in that
http://chronicles.ryzom.com/?page=featu ... n=&id=1695
although i begin to wonder why they want this war i dont see a kami reason in that
The Zoraïs are feared mystics from the dark and hidden jungles. In their search for spiritual enlightenment.
Suai Shun
Elder Of Atys
guardian of the tree
twisting the words
Whispers Of Aria
Re: A note from Jaimokai
Greetings Jaimokai, I am Daemion. I belive simarly to you. I differ in this respect. Ma-Duk, and Jena are Not Gods, but nor are they Figments of our Imagination. In my Years Traveling the Lands, Seeking the secrets of the Prime Roots, and Travel to other Realms, I have come to the Conclusion that Ma-Duk and Jena are simply Very powerful Beings that require Worship of Mortals in order to sustain themselves. If no one Belived in them, they would cease to exist, or Perhaps simply Die. I have seen a realm Full of Dead and Forgotten Gods. Some Perhaps may be reborn, others are doomed to the end of the 'Verse to remain Forgotten.
I too have been called a Heretic. So i understand your reluctance pehaps to come forward till now. I am one a few perhaps, of all those I have talked to, Belive as such. Perhaps we all, as Homins, should put the 'Gods' Trusts in us to the test and cease to follow either? I say we do. In all the Histories I have read, Neither Ma-Duk or Jena were part of our 'culture' till the few years leading up to the Great Swarming. Coincidence? Or some deeper plot to Gain Mindless followers for power? You decide.
I too have been called a Heretic. So i understand your reluctance pehaps to come forward till now. I am one a few perhaps, of all those I have talked to, Belive as such. Perhaps we all, as Homins, should put the 'Gods' Trusts in us to the test and cease to follow either? I say we do. In all the Histories I have read, Neither Ma-Duk or Jena were part of our 'culture' till the few years leading up to the Great Swarming. Coincidence? Or some deeper plot to Gain Mindless followers for power? You decide.
Daemion Last of the Shadow Dragons
Leader of the Dragons of Shadow
Leader of the Dragons of Shadow
May the Shadows Watch over you