False Declarations? o.0

[iphdrunk]

A similar problem of false declarations and declaring war on multiple outposts had apparently cropped up on leanon, and "was deemed to be an exploit by our GMs, due to a certain group getting lucky and blocking ~13 OPs directly after they went online."

Personally I'm not sure either way on the subject of declaring on multiple OP's, but in the case on leanon, 13 OP's is a bit much..

Should a cap on the amount of OP's a guild can hold be put in? Perhaps a cap on the amount of OP's a guild can declare on at any one time?

it has been posted on French forums that the cost will increase and a guild will not be able to cancel a war, iirc

regards,

[darylq]

I have to admit, I find the whole idea of false declarations to be dishonest and low... But then, considering that my impression of the Samsara is that they sell themselves as being mercenaries looking for the highest bidder, this tactic pretty much fits in with their RP image...

TBH, I've never held anything against them, but now I'm curious about what they'd seek to protect in an OP using these methods, and so if a legit declaration ever came up, I'd probably join in on the attackers side to see what it's all about


Hellraiser.

[philu]

I have to admit, I find the whole idea of false declarations to be dishonest and low... But then, considering that my impression of the Samsara is that they sell themselves as being mercenaries looking for the highest bidder, this tactic pretty much fits in with their RP image...

TBH, I've never held anything against them, but now I'm curious about what they'd seek to protect in an OP using these methods, and so if a legit declaration ever came up, I'd probably join in on the attackers side to see what it's all about


Hellraiser.

If you had taken the time to read any of the posts by Samsara members, Kostika in particular, you would know why they did it.

They wanted to be able to access the new content without having to engage in PvP. It was the only non-PvP 'option' Nevrax allowed in OPs.

I suggest that instead of forming an opinion of someone based on an 'impression' of their RP image or on no real facts is foolhardy.

TBH I made the same mistake as you about their RP image over the "rez for cash" policy a long time ago. However, when I have actually met and spoken to members of Samsara, I have found them all (PARTICULARLY Kostika) to be really good people. I'd recommend actually talking to them, you might just find you're mistaken in your opinions.

[darylq]

If you had taken the time to read any of the posts by Samsara members, Kostika in particular, you would know why they did it.

They wanted to be able to access the new content without having to engage in PvP. It was the only non-PvP 'option' Nevrax allowed in OPs.

I suggest that instead of forming an opinion of someone based on an 'impression' of their RP image or on no real facts is foolhardy.

TBH I made the same mistake as you about their RP image over the "rez for cash" policy a long time ago. However, when I have actually met and spoken to members of Samsara, I have found them all (PARTICULARLY Kostika) to be really good people. I'd recommend actually talking to them, you might just find you're mistaken in your opinions.

Whatever their reasons for doing so, they have chosen to portray themselves in a PARTICULAR RP manner...

Take for example this thread http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11008 where I first formed my impressions of the Samsara.

Compared to real life, how many people have met George Bush in person and have been able to form a "personal" impression of him?? OR likewise Saddam Hussein...Hitler...John F. Kennedy... I wonder.. Yet we have all formed impressions of these people, their governments, their people...

Impressions count more often then not- you're not likely to get to meet the people that impressions are based on first hand, nor are you likely to want to based on stated goals, etc...

Good people or not, goals were stated straight off the bat, and likewise, based on those statements I have the right to choose whether or not to delve deeper into the characters involved in the statements. In this particular case, I don't care one way or the other - the goals were stated and I take them at face value, as I am sure they were intended to be taken. I feel no burning desire to get to "know" the people who would be mercenaries, nor their underlying need to be such.

I have from time to time run into a Samsara member, and can find no fault, however, those moments were fleeting and touched with wariness on my part for underneath it all, the stated words of the Samsara always linger.

OOC: As for wanting to "be able to access the new content without engaging in PvP", well this is counter to what the the new content is all about, so if they don't want PvP, don't engage in the new content...simple as. Otherwise, deal with it like the rest and accept legit challenges...would have thought they would be up for such a challenge, being the "tough mercenaries" that they tout themselves as being.

[boinged]

Now that every two-bit, piece of yubo dung guild who saved up and pawned their grandma's special stamina boosted pants for the measly 400k dapper required to waste our valuable time has had that avenue closed to them, I think we'll see some changes...

P.S. Hellraiser, you're absolutely right about me (although maybe not the rest of those softies) so I hope, for your sake, I have something more profitable to do than make you pay for your slur next time we meet

[vguerin]

Now that every two-bit...
...I think we'll see some changes...

Yeah, now us 3 bit folks can get some action without feeling cheap

[darylq]

P.S. Hellraiser, you're absolutely right about me (although maybe not the rest of those softies) so I hope, for your sake, I have something more profitable to do than make you pay for your slur next time we meet

HA! If you consider that a slur, you're thinner skinned then I thought you were Be that as it may, should you feel the need for retribution, I won't shirk that meeting....

[kostika]

Compared to real life, how many people have met George Bush in person and have been able to form a "personal" impression of him?? OR likewise Saddam Hussein...Hitler...John F. Kennedy... I wonder.. Yet we have all formed impressions of these people, their governments, their people...

Oddly this isn't real life. I personally don'tlike being compared to people like hitler, but while your point is taken, its a bad one. I've been proven wrong in my impressions of people in the past. Ask Scorpious. Just because you have an impression, it doesn't mean its right.

OOC: As for wanting to "be able to access the new content without engaging in PvP", well this is counter to what the the new content is all about, so if they don't want PvP, don't engage in the new content...simple as. Otherwise, deal with it like the rest and accept legit challenges...would have thought they would be up for such a challenge, being the "tough mercenaries" that they tout themselves as being.

See if you knew anything about us, you'd know that the "tough merc" thing isn't what we're all about. Merc doesn't mean stupid. And as players it doesn't mean we have to like pvp. One tongue in cheek post and you think you know us. You don't.

Also you can take your "just don't get involve" attitude and stick it. Everyone has the right be involved in the content. This is an old argument, and one I'm not gonna drudge up again, but it stinks.



Philu...Thank you for your words.

[philu]

Whatever their reasons for doing so, they have chosen to portray themselves in a PARTICULAR RP manner...

Take for example this thread http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11008 where I first formed my impressions of the Samsara.

Compared to real life, how many people have met George Bush in person and have been able to form a "personal" impression of him?? OR likewise Saddam Hussein...Hitler...John F. Kennedy... I wonder.. Yet we have all formed impressions of these people, their governments, their people...

Impressions count more often then not- you're not likely to get to meet the people that impressions are based on first hand, nor are you likely to want to based on stated goals, etc...

Well you wont mind then if I stick with the opinion I have now formed of you, will you?
(Although I'm open minded enough to change that opinion if I ever meet you.)

Good people or not, goals were stated straight off the bat, and likewise, based on those statements I have the right to choose whether or not to delve deeper into the characters involved in the statements. In this particular case, I don't care one way or the other - the goals were stated and I take them at face value, as I am sure they were intended to be taken. I feel no burning desire to get to "know" the people who would be mercenaries, nor their underlying need to be such.

Yes you do have a right to your opinion. What you don't have a right to do is make sweeping generalisations about them based on half-formed opinions when you aren't prepared to get to know someone properly.

OOC: As for wanting to "be able to access the new content without engaging in PvP", well this is counter to what the the new content is all about, so if they don't want PvP, don't engage in the new content...simple as. Otherwise, deal with it like the rest and accept legit challenges...would have thought they would be up for such a challenge, being the "tough mercenaries" that they tout themselves as being.

I've said this already on another thread so I'll be brief. Ouposts are not what was originally promised. I, like others, can remember information from Nevrax that mentioned being able to own an Outpost through diplomatic means not conflict. We also remember talk of Outposts giving much more than they do, more content to them. So if Nevrax had kept their promise, Outposts wouldn't be all about PvP. Nor should they be. Non-PvP players have as much right to new content as everyone else.

Philu...Thank you for your words.

You are welcome. I don't like to see good people unjustly slagged off.

[darylq]

Oddly this isn't real life. I personally don'tlike being compared to people like hitler, but while your point is taken, its a bad one. I've been proven wrong in my impressions of people in the past. Ask Scorpious. Just because you have an impression, it doesn't mean its right.

Perhaps the names in the quote were a tad off, but I don't happen to think that the point was a bad one, but that's just me.

See if you knew anything about us, you'd know that the "tough merc" thing isn't what we're all about. Merc doesn't mean stupid. And as players it doesn't mean we have to like pvp. One tongue in cheek post and you think you know us. You don't.

Never said that merc's were stupid...dunno where you're getting that from...never claimed that I knew anything about your guild per say, only that I formed my opinions of your guild from a couple of threads that I read and felt no urge to know anymore about it after that...
Are you saying that the only people allowed to say anything about your guild are those that know every little bit about it? Rubbish.

Also you can take your "just don't get involve" attitude and stick it. Everyone has the right be involved in the content. This is an old argument, and one I'm not gonna drudge up again, but it stinks.

Fair enough...and likewise you can take your "hog the OP and prevent anyone from making a legit challenge on it" tactic and shove that... Oh wait, i think that Nevrax have done something to address that issue now...