ATS Patch: Outposts & Fame System

[Marjo]

*Cough* There seems to have been some confusion somewhere (my fault, I admit ).

The "red" regions (it'd be easier to understand with colors) will still offer a few TPs to neutrals.

Only the "purple" regions won't: Grove of Confusion, Lagoons of Loria, Void, and Scorched Corridor.

[marct]

Wooooo Hooooo Thanks for the info.

Now before you add more confusion, a clarification on "The RED regions will still offer a few TP's to neutrals" would be nice.

I think there are something like 9 RED regions outside of PR. Is "some" 2, or is "some" 7? Quite a big difference. Is "some" more or less than half?


BTW, thanks for the quick intervention. Good news for the Neutrals even if it is only 4 additional TPs (one per Land).

Noin.

[oldmess]

*Cough* There seems to have been some confusion somewhere (my fault, I admit ).

The "red" regions (it'd be easier to understand with colors) will still offer a few TPs to neutrals.

Only the "purple" regions won't: Grove of Confusion, Lagoons of Loria, Void, and Scorched Corridor.

Uh, there's a lot of things in this whole upcoming fame/tp/spire issue that is unclear. While your answer did take care of one item, at least some of us would appreciate more info.

1. List of current TP's that will be available regardless of faction (i.e. neutrals).
2. List of new TP's that will come online as part of this.
2a. Will those new TP's allow neutrals at all?
2b. Will those new TP's require some sort of rite to access them or just belonging to the appropriate faction?
3. Will existing TP tickets be honored?
4. If a spire belongs to a faction, does that mean the opposing faction's TPs in that region will be totally dead or will they just not sell new tickets?
5. List of planned spires and what region or regions they affect?
6. Most of the discussion has revolved around "faction neutral". What about the racial citizenship thing? It's not clear to me what the plus and minuses are of that choice. If I remain neutral on that question, what do I lose? If I choose a race to commit to, what do I gain and what do I lose?

[blaah]

Wooooo Hooooo Thanks for the info.

i think Nevrax just chickened out but that's just me

BTW, thanks for the quick intervention. Good news for the Neutrals even if it is only 4 additional TPs (one per Land).

hehe, quick ... confusion started week ago lol.

it makes things easyer (only Matis has q250 working tp's atm for neutrals, but still does not fix fun factor for "neutral high lvl PR diggers".

Maybe give access to PR tp's when you have 50 fame, but make using tickets to cost you a little fame (say 1 point per 10 used tickets).
You need to be useful (make missions) to cult, to use TP's.
at least with this, neutral PR diggers have options to stay neutral.

[dakhound]

PR still out of bounds tho?

still crappy, other than that I'm only losing GoC all the others dont work atm anyway

[gwythion]

Uh, there's a lot of things in this whole upcoming fame/tp/spire issue that is unclear. While your answer did take care of one item, at least some of us would appreciate more info.

1. List of current TP's that will be available regardless of faction (i.e. neutrals).
2. List of new TP's that will come online as part of this.
2a. Will those new TP's allow neutrals at all?
2b. Will those new TP's require some sort of rite to access them or just belonging to the appropriate faction?
3. Will existing TP tickets be honored?
4. If a spire belongs to a faction, does that mean the opposing faction's TPs in that region will be totally dead or will they just not sell new tickets?
5. List of planned spires and what region or regions they affect?
6. Most of the discussion has revolved around "faction neutral". What about the racial citizenship thing? It's not clear to me what the plus and minuses are of that choice. If I remain neutral on that question, what do I lose? If I choose a race to commit to, what do I gain and what do I lose?

Good questions. The one that I guess that if I were Nevrax that I would possibly not answer is #3 so as to avoid people purchasing large numbers of tickets to avoid the change. Though I guess it would reduce the large dapper balances of some players.

It is good to hear that things will not be quite as bad as they looked but better and clearer information would help a great deal.

[Marjo]

1. List of current TP's that will be available regardless of faction (i.e. neutrals).

Here's the list of TPs that will be available for neutrals :
(in parenthesis, the faction owning the altar)
*in stars, the altars activated with the upcoming patch*

Matis (10 TP):

majestic garden yrkanis (kami)
majestic garden yrkanis (karavan)
fleeting garden (kami)
knoll of dissent (kami) *added*
knoll of dissent (karavan) *added*
hidden source (kami) *added*
hidden source (karavan) *added*
upper bog (karavan)
heretic's hovel (kami) *added*
heretic's hovel (karavan) *added*

Zoraï (7 TP):

cities of intuition zora (kami)
cities of intuition zora (karavan)
haven of purity (kami)
knot of dementia (kami) *added*
knot of dementia (karavan) *added*
grove of umbra (kami) *added*
grove of umbra (karavan) *added*

Fyros (10 TP):

imperial dunes pyr (kami)
imperial dunes pyr (karavan)
oflovak's oasis (kami)
frahar towers (kami)
sawdust mines (karavan)
the savage dunes thesos (kami)
the savage dunes thesos (karavan)
dunes of exil dyron (kami)
dunes of exil dyron (karavan)
outlaw canyon (karavan)

Tryker (8 TP):

liberty lake fairhaven (kami)
liberty lake fairhaven (karavan)
resting water (kami)
winds of muse (karavan)
the fount (karavan)
enchanted isle (kami)
bounty beaches (kami) *added*
bounty beaches (karavan) *added*

Nexus (2 TP):

nexus (kami) *added*
nexus (karavan) *added*

2. List of new TP's that will come online as part of this.
2a. Will those new TP's allow neutrals at all?
2b. Will those new TP's require some sort of rite to access them or just belonging to the appropriate faction?

Here's the list of the other newly activated altars, which are only available to pro-Kamis or pro-Karavan (not available to neutrals). The requirements to use these high level TPs (add the 2 TPs of Grove of Confusion to that list) is to be a convert and to have 33 in the corresponding faction fame.

Zoraï:
the void (kami)
the void (karavan)

Fyros:
the scorched corridor (kami)
the scorched corridor (karavan)

Tryker:
lagoons of loria (kami)
lagoons of loria (karavan)

And 8 new altars not yet in game will appear (4 kami/4 karavan; 2 neutrals among them). I won't tell you which ones to not spoil.

3. Will existing TP tickets be honored?

I'm not sure I understand your question. If your question is about the TP tickets you already bought or will buy before the patch, and you're asking if you could still use them after the patch is live: the answer is yes.

[oldmess]

Here's the list of TPs that will be available for neutrals :
(in parenthesis, the faction owning the altar)

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer these questions. Hopefully this will reduce some of the FUD. I need to analyze it a bit, but now I finally feel like I know what's going on.

In places like Majestic Garden, you only list the TP's in Yrkanis, but not the 3 in Davae, Natae or Avalae. Is it just implied that those are available to neutrals because of their level? I ask because on ATS they weren't (at least a week ago anyway)

And 8 new altars not yet in game will appear (4 kami/4 karavan; 2 neutrals among them). I won't tell you which ones to not spoil.

My main concern is what we are losing by staying neutral or picking a given faction, so it's not as critical to know about these. I wouldn't be upset if you told us, but it's not a big deal to me.

I'm not sure I understand your question. If your question is about the TP tickets you already bought or will buy before the patch, and you're asking if you could still use them after the patch is live: the answer is yes.

Well, it's a 2 part question.

1. Let's say, and why not, that I choose to be a Karavan supporter. That means I'll lose access to all of the Kami teleporters, yes? If I already own a TP ticket for a Kami teleporter, your answer implies I'll be able to use it, but I will not be able to buy a replacement.

2. Let's say, and why not, that the Kami supporters take over the spire that controls the Imperial Dunes region. If I own a ticket to the Karavan TP, will I be able to use it, but just not buy a new one? Or will it be totally shut off?

[oldmess]

Here's the list of TPs that will be available for neutrals :
(in parenthesis, the faction owning the altar)

*in stars, the altars activated with the upcoming patch*

To repeat one question regarding the altars that will be activated in an upcoming patch: Will there be some sort of mission or rite that we'll have to do to use those TP's or will they be available in the same way other TP's are?

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EDIT: n/m, I see the answer to my question:

The requirements to use these high level TPs (add the 2 TPs of Grove of Confusion to that list) is to be a convert and to have 33 in the corresponding faction fame.

I was reading too fast.

[oldmess]

*in stars, the altars activated with the upcoming patch*

Quick shout-out to the really fanriffic folks at Ballistic Mystix: If you've already got the known, but inactive TP's in your db, can you start showing them on your maps?