Shields for Event rewards!!!!!! Grrrr

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roninpvp wrote:Maybe ... maybe not. Since Shields have long been the only thing left without level restrictions I doubt it. The shield crafters werent complaining about that. I'm thinking that there are cheap shields with 34 parry and more boost then a crafter can do as and look cool is whats bugging him. :p
I think not! Shields had level restrictions from the time I started in November of last year until a few months ago when some patch buggered them up while I was away. The fact that shields have no restriction now has been ticketed by multiple people that craft shields. :P

The point you are missing is that the item that is offered here has NO LEVEL RESTRICTIONS ON IT.

That is misery for a shield crafter more than u having an uber shield. At least for me it is.

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marct wrote:IThe point you are missing is that the item that is offered here has NO LEVEL RESTRICTIONS ON IT.

That is misery for a shield crafter more than u having an uber shield. At least for me it is.

Noin.

The main point is that your upset about shields being offered. Sure they have no level restrictions on it but player made shields have none either. Why is there being no level restrictions on shields being given away all of a sudden such misery.

I dont believe these events should be giving away crafted items that make the best player stuff inferior. Equal to I can accept but the extreme effort to level then get the right mats and you still cant beat an event item is crap. Would you have complained if it was a no level restricted quality level 250 amp of some crazy stat like 120/120. I doubt it :p

Shields are Shields these look nice and have good mods. If it was something else you didnt craft you wouldnt be upset. The fact that this item is your main craft makes you upset. I dont see you complainging about the 30%+ protection factor double boosted light armour. :p
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Sin if the rewards involved supreme resist jewel i think we all know who wud be pissed off, maybe trying to relate urself to his problem would be a more productive thing to do....
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To be honest.... I tend to think that the non tradeable property of items is too much an oversight to be non intentional (I wish I am wrong), so if above that, the NPC disappears in a few days (I wish I am wrong again), the impact on crafters is low.

I'm still a bit confused by Episode 2 rewards, but I guess we'll see.
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kyesmith wrote:Sin if the rewards involved supreme resist jewel i think we all know who wud be pissed off, maybe trying to relate urself to his problem would be a more productive thing to do....

Roninpvp wrote: I dont believe these events should be giving away crafted items that make the best player stuff inferior.

I am trying to make a point. But I guess you didnt read what I said carefully.

I dont know who is "we all know" and who "would be pissed"? (btw I got warned for using "pissed" ... no joke :eek: ) But I guess thats your way to attack my comments covertly? To answer you; no I wouldn't be upset if everyone got supreme resist jewelry. I've been making jewelry sets for free for people with their mats. If they brought supreme mats they got supreme jewelry made for free.

Your little scenario wouldnt upset me in the least. If they were giving them out for EP2 battles it would have saved me lots of time making and explaining jewlry :rolleyes: :p I'm saying he should be upset about rewards being better than things any crafter can make not just his shields :rolleyes: I'm a maker of all sorts of things called weapons like daggers and er axes. I am arguing against his narrow self serving complaint about shields. I feel the bigger picture of rewards being better than things any crafter can make is the real issue. Whats next? Why does he feel shields should be some sort of "protected" craft tree while other items have been given as rewards as well.


Edit: For Karavan only probably why you didnt realize I was crafting jewlry for free during EP2 :D :p
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*hands out some of Rashan's secret stash of Oflovak's Brew to everyone*

there now, drink, be happy, and lets not rant nemore :D


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roninpvp wrote:The main point is that your upset about shields being offered. Sure they have no level restrictions on it but player made shields have none either. Why is there being no level restrictions on shields being given away all of a sudden such misery.
I have not made a shield for a single player since the restrictions on shields have been lifted! Sorry again, don't think you know my motives yet.
roninpvp wrote:I dont believe these events should be giving away crafted items that make the best player stuff inferior. Equal to I can accept but the extreme effort to level then get the right mats and you still cant beat an event item is crap. Would you have complained if it was a no level restricted quality level 250 amp of some crazy stat like 120/120. I doubt it :p

Shields are Shields these look nice and have good mods. If it was something else you didnt craft you wouldnt be upset. The fact that this item is your main craft makes you upset. I dont see you complainging about the 30%+ protection factor double boosted light armour. :p
Actually I think you would be right, except a level 50 player cannot wear that LA. The fact is that this "Special item" Q250 super uber item can be bought by anyone that put in an almost minimal amount of effort on the event. So not only is it that EVERYONE can hold it and use it... (read: lvl 30 1 hander walks through mobs up until they do more than 350 damage)

I guess this post ties into my other post a bit more than I thought. The factthat EVERYONE can have a Q250 Super Uber elite shield is as much of a problem as them using it. A Q200 digger would have had to dig 100 mats to be able to get this... what is that? 15 minutes of effort for a Q250 supreme shield? A Q100 digger it would have taken maybe an hour to do the same over what 3 or 4 weeks? This is the problem too. A handful of people should have been able to buy this shiedl and it should have taken an extraordinary effort to be able to get it, not an inconsequential effort.

Again, the LA is not the same as you may be able to buy it but you need to hold onto it in your bag until a time at which you can wear it.

I am not sure why you insist I am mad because it is a shield... I am not. I am mad because of a game mechanic and a honour point pricing issue that makes it very very easy for EVERYONE to have a Q250 Supreme shield. Even if you throw out that anyone can use it, the fact that EVERYONE with minimal effort can now have an item that previously could only be had by a few people who were willing to pay an exorbinant price is just silly. The "higher powers have decided to absolutely FLOOD the market with Q250 supreme shields thus putting ALL shield crafters out of business.

Even if you want to say that the LA is the same it isn't. There are 4 more pieces to a set of Light armor. Seems you the LA crafters would still have a market for all of those pieces.

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I am narrowly focusing on the shields because there is no restriction on them. Is that not clear?

I agree with you on your other points Sinful, but if you read my last post it is much more than shields... It is the fact that something that is UBEr can be owned and used by everyone that participated. It did not take 50,000 honour or 100,000 honour to get this, it took 1200. ARE YOU KIDDING?

This does not apply so much to items with requirements for obvious reasons.


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I agree with Noin...


Boilds down to:

Supreme Shield of Awesomeness + NO use requirements + 1Hour or less involvements in E2 = Bad

Any one of those factors could be dealt with easily enough, but the fact that all three come together is just very poor implementation.



Also, you have to wonder why they offered shields of less than Q250, honestly. I personally love the colors of the 200 and 150, but if there not storable, no way I can run around with 3 heavy shields in my bag forever.
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One of the big plus points for SoR is that crafters arnt made redundant by loot drops. What would have been far better is a "Makeover" gift that added the appearance and extra stat too an existing item, kinda like having your sheild re-worked by the Kara/kami.

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