Where are we all going really?

[mikelaw]

Okay ive kept low and not said much from all the threads since the launch of EP2 in Ryzom.

Im mainly saying what im seeing and reading really upsets me.

All the fights the questions the anger towards pvp/fvf and everything in the past 2 weeks nearly ppl are saying.

The ppl leaving, the ppl staying, the ppl hurting the ppl lashing out.

What is really so bad that all this is happeing? really ppl.

When i started to read the posts i was shocked at some of you.

In my views and you dont have to take them or reply back with urs, this thread can be deleted or whatever you ppl want to do with it. This is mearly my thoughts my views.

EP2:

The game has changed, the company that has made this game, to sell, for us to play has evolved into a place where in the coming days/weeks/months for us is mostly about who has what control.

Sept2004-2005 we had a game that let us do what we wanted with loads of control, we lvled, we playied with one another. We had player events, we had CSR Events, we had roleplay we had events created by the company also storyline events.

We have had patchs to fix, to start more problems, to finaly sort things out and yet the game keeps changing.

All this was based on a game with no limits in the companys eyes.
We as players created our own wee world of laughter, fun and love.

NOW!!

The company has evolved it where we are at war, soon to be fighting over lands, loosing the track we all have known for so long.

EP2 has come and is in full way as far as i can see.

What is so bad? Are we all scared of the change bc what we have known for so long is now diffrent, when we have lost some control bc of there change?

From what i can see all of you or mostly some seem to hate this idea, you say you dont want to fight friends, fight homins for land, theres talk about not having honor. Do we really know what honor is tbh? I for one dont, ive never had to live with it like honor was ment to be.
All i know is that watching this forum just colapse and buckle bc we cant take it.

I said on a post couple weeks back to players the why are we analising this game so much?

Why do we feel the need when something doesnt go our way or dislike something do we need to fight about it?

Why are we all analising this EP2 so much?

Now im nobody in this game, i try so much to play it bc i fell inlove with the game, ive playied EP2 and died and laughed and over all had a hell of a time in doing so bc its diffrent, its not mindless lvling or doing the same things over and over again that we are all so used to. When i saw the "im leaving" threads it made me so sad that ppl are wanting to leave so badly bc its all diffrent. Why is this?, for what reason should u leave? really i mean comeon.

This is a game, we pay for it to see what the development comes up with and when they do, we cant stand it, whys that?

Do we not pay the monthly or yearly or whatver fee to see what this company can give us.

I for one and mabe the only person (Strike me down and burn me alive for saying this) but i for once am going to stay and see what this company can give me, to see what my belives in them are going to show.

You can all say im neutral or say im leaving, your just letting urselfs down by not following it.

When Ryzom was 1st opend there was all was the ? whens kami going to fight karavan or vice versa. I for one was hopping this would happen bc i dont want to be all powerfull in this game or be the top dog crafter or dig the most mats, i wanted to build this game with everyone and whatver the developers thru at as we would over come it and still make it what it was when i opend that box set in sep2004.

Ryzom the game without limits.

Dont crush it bc its changing, life changes, ppl come and ppl go, whats most important everyone is that we try to get along, help one another, have our fights and have our angers but at least give it a shot and see what this game "Ryzom" is really about.

Dont read, dont listen, do what you want remember its always your choice, this EP2 is the companys choice lets not take it away bc its not ours.

Anyways enough me rambleing on to you all, hey was worth a shot to calm you all down and take a step back and think.

Anyways

Sleep well everyone.

Mike

[grimjim]

You mention choice, you mention changes.

The new changes are bringing a removal of choice, a lessening of it, despite 'adding' to the game.

The current event has little to no room for the neutral RPer, the peaceful member of either faction, or people who don't like PvP. Because of the reward system, because its the only thing in ages, because of the plot and the effect it will have on the landscape there is, in effect, no choice in how to participate.

You PvP or you miss out and fall behind.

The secondary announcement is outposts, that will, at the start, have no option but PvP to take and control and - given the view of the rewards being given for outposts ownership - and how few outposts are going to be available to start with - is going to make owning them very competetive. Crafters and harvesters are amongst the most peaceful and less pwning of players and yet these outposts? Well...

The tertiary announcement is global FvF with very real consequences even for neutral or peaceful players. While there will be a flag and they don't have to fight the consequences of the actions of the few truly eager gankers will affect them

Now, I'm not actually against PvP per se, with a decent storyline and on an event by event basis where it makes sense. It is my feeling that the current war storyline is unjustified by the lore or, to put it another way, not enough has happened in the live game storyline and events to justify the way everyone's throwing themselves into it or the racial leaders are acting.

IF everyone were acting maturely and respecting each other's playstyle choice- IE leaving the non PvPers alone in the zone to make up for Nevrax not giving them any play options - EVERYONE could have fun, get their temples completed, dig or fight as they wanted. The problem is with a relatively small percentage of 'bad boys' within either 'faction' with no respect for anyone else around them. That's the problem with PvP, it allows that brat/idiot/insensitive jerk to directly effect the people around them without consent.

While there's been a few bright points - the hominist dig, truces during the day, showing some of the old Atys spirit, by and large its pointless.

Combine that with the little things, like withdrawn guide support for player events (apart from weddings) and you start to lose effective alternatives within the game.

The people leaving are, were, the heart and soul of Atys, the people who kept it going when there was nothing, the people who made it a living world.

I'm holding out for R2 in the hopes it will redress the balance, but I'm wondering if anyone who is left will appreciate or take part in any of the R2 efforts I might put together.

[bf649ztp]

You might or might not be forgetting Jyudas that the harvesting/crafting skills are usually one of the most solitary and selfish parts of the game. This new part throws all that out of the window. I have another char, one that is 52 melee and 35 magic, with top skill of 130 forage. I can't kill anyone in there and I even find it hard to rez people, but all last night I had a blast. I was digging with many 200+ harvesters, using their sources and them mine, and we were all doing it for a common goal. Not armour or amps or dappers but a new temple for ourselves, Kami or Karavan. It showed me yet another side of Ep2 that breaks down boundrys and makes homins work together.

Kodel.

[grimjim]

You might or might not be forgetting Jyudas that the harvesting/crafting skills are usually one of the most solitary and selfish parts of the game. This new part throws all that out of the window. I have another char, one that is 52 melee and 35 magic, with top skill of 130 forage. I can't kill anyone in there and I even find it hard to rez people, but all last night I had a blast. I was digging with many 200+ harvesters, using their sources and them mine, and we were all doing it for a common goal. Not armour or amps or dappers but a new temple for ourselves, Kami or Karavan. It showed me yet another side of Ep2 that breaks down boundrys and makes homins work together.

Solitary I'd agree with, selfish, no. Because its all to do with providing others with tools.

[mikelaw]

You mention choice, you mention changes.

The new changes are bringing a removal of choice, a lessening of it, despite 'adding' to the game.

The current event has little to no room for the neutral RPer, the peaceful member of either faction, or people who don't like PvP. Because of the reward system, because its the only thing in ages, because of the plot and the effect it will have on the landscape there is, in effect, no choice in how to participate.

You PvP or you miss out and fall behind.

The secondary announcement is outposts, that will, at the start, have no option but PvP to take and control and - given the view of the rewards being given for outposts ownership - and how few outposts are going to be available to start with - is going to make owning them very competetive. Crafters and harvesters are amongst the most peaceful and less pwning of players and yet these outposts? Well...

The tertiary announcement is global FvF with very real consequences even for neutral or peaceful players. While there will be a flag and they don't have to fight the consequences of the actions of the few truly eager gankers will affect them

Now, I'm not actually against PvP per se, with a decent storyline and on an event by event basis where it makes sense. It is my feeling that the current war storyline is unjustified by the lore or, to put it another way, not enough has happened in the live game storyline and events to justify the way everyone's throwing themselves into it or the racial leaders are acting.

IF everyone were acting maturely and respecting each other's playstyle choice- IE leaving the non PvPers alone in the zone to make up for Nevrax not giving them any play options - EVERYONE could have fun, get their temples completed, dig or fight as they wanted. The problem is with a relatively small percentage of 'bad boys' within either 'faction' with no respect for anyone else around them. That's the problem with PvP, it allows that brat/idiot/insensitive jerk to directly effect the people around them without consent.

While there's been a few bright points - the hominist dig, truces during the day, showing some of the old Atys spirit, by and large its pointless.

Combine that with the little things, like withdrawn guide support for player events (apart from weddings) and you start to lose effective alternatives within the game.

The people leaving are, were, the heart and soul of Atys, the people who kept it going when there was nothing, the people who made it a living world.

I'm holding out for R2 in the hopes it will redress the balance, but I'm wondering if anyone who is left will appreciate or take part in any of the R2 efforts I might put together.

I understand everything you have said dude, but dont you think we have had it all just to easy thats why there is all the threads?

I mean in EP2+ ryzom the outposts will bring a little more challange to the game, fair enough im totaly thinking bit to hard for new players, but thats why I lvled melee so much so i can protect these youngins.

Dont give up hope or wait just for R2 remember if we all pull together and protect what we belive, guild, fraction everything else then it can work

+ Why not protect a forager or save alive from a mobpuller

Jyudas is more a mercenary by necessity.
I always saw him as more of a hunter, fighting against the Kitin (remember them?), hunting to fulfil quotas, protecting caravans from hostile animals, that sort of thing.
He's also an (adequete) musician and, if it were ever implemented, the musical addition would make 'bard' (In the proper sense) a possible change of career.

Your a merc ment to be Act like it

[grimjim]

I understand everything you have said dude, but dont you think we have had it all just to easy thats why there is all the threads?

I mean in EP2+ ryzom the outposts will bring a little more challange to the game, fair enough im totaly thinking bit to hard for new players, but thats why I lvled melee so much so i can protect these youngins.

Dont give up hope or wait just for R2 remember if we all pull together and protect what we belive, guild, fraction everything else then it can work

+ Why not protect a forager or save alive from a mobpuller

Your a merc ment to be Act like it

No, I don't think we've had it too easy. Previous to this people were whinging that things were too difficult ever for a level 250er. That doesn't suggest 'easy' to me and makes me think that there's still plenty of challenge.

As to challenge? No, it just brings grief. Ep2 has reconfirmed wholly in my mind that the standard PvPer cry of 'Its more challenging fighting a real person!' is so much bodoc dung, as evidenced by the kitin pulling and the sheer GLEE with which people gank helpless harvesters (and crafters for that matter).

Mike, there's precious few people LEFT to pull together and that's the cruellest blow of all. I'm holding on, teeth gritted but it gets harder the less of you there are.

And as to acting the merc, we have taken odd jobs here and there protecting but its bloody hard with the faction selection set up the way it is. Its not easy to swap without direly affecting fame or spending a long time making the change. Nevrax has left no place for choice or thinking for yourself in this event whether your motivation be faith, philosophy or dapper.

[mikelaw]

No, I don't think we've had it too easy. Previous to this people were whinging that things were too difficult ever for a level 250er. That doesn't suggest 'easy' to me and makes me think that there's still plenty of challenge.

As to challenge? No, it just brings grief. Ep2 has reconfirmed wholly in my mind that the standard PvPer cry of 'Its more challenging fighting a real person!' is so much bodoc dung, as evidenced by the kitin pulling and the sheer GLEE with which people gank helpless harvesters (and crafters for that matter).

Mike, there's precious few people LEFT to pull together and that's the cruellest blow of all. I'm holding on, teeth gritted but it gets harder the less of you there are.

And as to acting the merc, we have taken odd jobs here and there protecting but its bloody hard with the faction selection set up the way it is. Its not easy to swap without direly affecting fame or spending a long time making the change. Nevrax has left no place for choice or thinking for yourself in this event whether your motivation be faith, philosophy or dapper.

I can see you points and there all fair

I left the game for a month and when i came back the game was 100% better than before, A. bc of my new pc and B. for a new love ingame and out, but when i really look at it, everyone just needs a break for a month or two let the new players lvl up.

Who knows m8, who knows

Anyway think lock this thread down, bc it has some really good views and i dont want it ruined by narrowminded ppl.

[sofiaoak]

It's about community and playing styles. Respecting different kind of playing styles and not forcing playing styles for others.

Old community was very friendly and supported more mature way to play games. After all this, there will be new community and new playing styles. This is hapening because what kind of content type is comming to this game and how it's done. New direction is for younger players and more competing enviroment.

On my opinion the major problem with this new direction is that it doesn't really fit the SoR's game system it self. PvP kind of content directions requires more balance, faster character development and more players own skills.

I my self can PvP when needed and have a reason for it, but I will newer be part of open PvP. I will never be victim for someone else fun. So if direction of this game continues like this, my playing styles doesn't have future in this game. At the moment Rysom has only one kind of consent PvP and that's duels. All others PvP styles are zone based open PvP's.

So where it's going, I don't know, but looks like more and more open zone PvP.

I'm waiting what will happens and keep my account as active, but will not play the game much. When some new content will come, what does support my playing style. I will start playing again. If the new content takes too long, there is no reason to me keep my account active.