Soon over for me. *Long Complain post Warning*

[morzyr]

After seeing what little the devs talk and reasure players after Ep2 it clear for me this not a thing i want any more.
I want to see the outposts, well i hoped a bit what some of the other features what was promised to in this game to be in ep2 but it was not.
But after playing for 18 months i can wait one more just to see the outpost and be finished.

So what made me decide it was soon over and want to end to this soon 19 month long journey?

I really don't think it just the PVP part what upset me most with dishonor honor killing harvesters and so as its a game within a game.
Even if it really it's one of the dumest ide's they come up with now if you thinking how we have been playing before.
As they said we evolve the game to what it is today.
If we wanted more pvp we would constant be nukeing each other in the arena or the other pvp plases, but we was not.

And is not the new "content" of the race of the temples.
It not even what I expected more story related action and more then just a DM quake arena and and some outposts what going what still doesn't have any
option for kitin raids and so on.

Its more a whole bunch of things building up over time.

So why do i write this post some may wonder, is hi just another complainer, well... im am.
But i have some points what i hope for the the devs will take to them.
To see what been frustating and may come to good use if it come into the light.
Pluss after playing so long as i have and seen and read the frustion from some players and my self i just want to get some unboiled things out from my system.

So here we go..here is some of the things what has brother me.


**The lack of proper information.

It always have feelt like second hand info we been given and many time it been so misleading so many have expected something else.
Instead of give us the clear view and proper facts on what going to change they have given us ,time after time, almost facts.
THey can't get their hold on where they should post their info ether then they do so they post in totaly difrent places.
Some times on the main page.
Some times in events in forums.
some times in the feed back pages
And worst of all. in the middle of users posts. (God i hate what one.)
Annocement forum is still on the forum where Xaviar have told us his not useing as "all" info goes on the main page ,but still hi some times uses what one.
They did almost a good job in the spring with planned updates load of info and long time changes now at summer.
All was almost gone again and back to secret service polices with "we make the game and you need only to pay and play.
Sorry but whats old scool and does not work any more not i this kind of game.
Why did they hire him to this jobb if all hi can't help us get our answers.
Questions are carefully selceted and most of the time has no real info in the replay.
All this secret hush hush i never have understand.

So in short the info is bad and some time out of place and is quite frustating then you have to search by their user names to find info.
As normal they you say A you need to say B to make sense.
**


**The lack of proper management of the ATS.

Been a year on ats and seeing the dev's poor handling of the ATS.
We have no other way to report bug but in forums for ats.
There is no reported bug list any were to make the job easyer for those what test to see if the bug is reported or not
No gms is on most of the time and you need to call some one from kilents.
No todo list are presented. True it has happen once. And only once.
Very time they want a new feature they used the excuse what is was tested on the ats so it has be approved.
I feel what Ep2 is just a test pase for chapter3 going live to save time.

They fail to see and use the helpfull players what really wants to help them in numbers to test the bugs but can’t as lacking of handling of the ats
**


**The lack of features / or the removing of features

Some of the things I have been waiting but not seen.
And no im not dreaming this things they are in fact features Nevrax Devs have officially said be in the game.

Raid engine.
The Goo.
Ranged fighter balanced.
Guild missions.
Outposts. (yeah I know its coming "soon" but it not here yet is it)
Taming of animals.(yaeah a taming skill was quite talked about)
Potions
More skills trees ( with all the New Items i hope they build some other or where should you get the sp to buy new ones from?)
The Rare Kami/Karavan Artifacts
New lands like the canopy, (Tree tops )
Rites( not what they was safe in any way as many of the missing ones did very funnie things with the server)
Various items what should do dmg depending on what type they are like fire axe what does not do dmg.
Sample music system. I know some of the RP out their is really missing this one. cool to make you own music and player for others

I wish they at least have made some info about it telling us something about them.
**


**The balance

It clear to me now what they still don’t really have the proper tools/devs yet for making the balance of game.
Im not saying all skills should give the same options or should be as easy/hard as the others.
Im think in this way. Mages is and will always be the most power full players then is comes to destruction and fighter is the tanks in the front line for taking dmg and so on.
As this was a fantasy sci-fi game, what clues me is the ranged skill as its a lost form the playing
I have no ide why this skill is still in the game as it has no other use then showoff of the weapons, or why the vid's of rangers doing massinve dmg in raid is still on the vid section.
And we still is balanceing the game back and forth what totally was lost on me, as the game has be released over a year and this things should never gone through beta this way.
Ryzom balancing is like a balloon, if you press it with you hand the balloon pops out in diffrent places betwean the fingers.

But it has come clear to me after thinking back how things went form beta to realease and up today.
First then i started in beta the.
Something was clearly happening internal by the chats and forum posts, but i was quite fresh to the game so i did not think so much about it.
And soon after a realease date was posted, 11 june if im not wrong.

Quite strange i thought at what time as many of the things they had been saying in the diffrent interviews and devchats was stil not in the game.
But we were reasured what all what was going to be in the release.

Then suddely almost all patches stopped and we had real quiet time for the both devs and gm's and then the september release was posted and the server was going down for the final touches and making of outpost and so on. need more time and so on.

Then the strange balanceing started up and down with all skills except for ranged. (And its still is going strong with every patch they do.)
We allso got a new exp system what still contredicts heavy against the how the system was buid up before and they spendt ages find out how to fix it resolveing in the easy way, the Exp Cap at 3k.
And so on has is been going with the horror of patch one and so on.

What i think and have read in different places here is what Nevrax lost or fired a bounch of the coworkers.
If it was then or before i started started i don't know but it shows really good what someone what really know what she or he was doing with the game was lost as they have had so much problems getting things right after.
So the ones left had to do the allways inpossible task of working on someone else program code.
Most likely why they had a spring clean to clear out old code and rebuild their tools.
**


**The quest for story.
Sorry with all my will i fail to see any story, spesialy now.
Maybe im so lost on the diffrent ones not completed, i can't see the line.
Only have i seen once a event what changes any thing in atys ans what is the zoria gate.
THe lack of proper events in a MMORPG with no outcome is just strange in my mind.
**


I really love ryzom and can some time just wander off for hours walking the world and look at both mobs npc and players. Getting to know players for all over the world in all ages in a much diffrent way then i done in other online games.
And will allways carry this expience with me for the rest of my time.
Selldom you can find a place (up to now) there player have been so friendly and nice.
I even been helping "hard core gankers" form other games what infact have changed their whole way of playing becuse all been so nice to him/her, and then you meet them again its allmost a other person(true some rp but you know what i mean).


True many thing have started to come slowly slowly in to place and thing get better but as for me it has taken to long time.

Anyway got what out of my system. Flame, scream, joke, do what ever you like i don't mind.

[gillest]

Hehe so true Tyr and sadly those are maybe most important points to a game: feedback to player database, clarity and giving the truth is what creates loyalty..
Seems to have been forgotten a bit nowadays.
Few thing I could add:

[quote]**The lack of proper information.
back to secret service polices with "we make the game and you need only to pay and play.[quote]

On 04-05-05 Nevrax did something which I consider as very courageous and very fair toward players: recognising publically the financial problems and that the company was under financial watch (can't remember English word)
08-05-05 was supposed to be the end and the tribunal decision on the futur of the company: I have been looking and looking everywhere on forums to find some info about what the futur was holding = total silence .. secret policy...

I do not understand why this has been kept silent as this is for me the most important thing: all players were behind SoR on this one but new decisions have apparently been taken of not letting any info go through anymore: very sad imo...

[quote]**The lack of features / or the removing of features[quote]

And :
* guild trainors:: those rooms in GH are still empty since release; were supposed to be for some guild trainors with maybe specific skills or other features..
Those seems to have been lost somewhere in a cupboard....


Lack of responsiveness, transparency:
I will NOT say that Nevrax doesnt listen to the player base as we do not exactly know how decision making process is done and I do think that answers from players are taken into account:
BUT
-it seems that what is taken from players is what interest Nevrax, not what interest the players..
-the "Now in progress","futur updates" " blabla" is very confusing and doesnt hold info we are looking for.
-GM's are helpful but I have always been stunned by the fact that NO info was provided to them by the devs.. (as someone said in another post, when you have the "i ll report to devs" answer, you know you won't get any info..).

I like your analysis of Spring cleaning Tyr lol , = retranscript the codes of the first dev team who is long gone but keep it secret and give it a fancy name so noone exactly know the truth

Very sad tho cos I repeat again:
Feedback to player database, clarity and giving the truth is what creates loyalty...
May Jena put the light in Nevrax actions ...

Sad to see you go tho Tyr, was great having you around

[trenker]

I agree that it does seem like someone pulled the plug on this game a little over a year ago. With such super graphics and other great features, followed by a period of turmoil followed by extreme slowness. We really only have half a good game, half a messed-about-with game and a pileof PvP added for some mystical reason.

[iphdrunk]

08-05-05 was supposed to be the end and the tribunal decision on the futur of the company: I have been looking and looking everywhere on forums to find some info about what the futur was holding = total silence .. secret policy...

the word is "redressement judiciaire" I think, not exactly the equivalent of "Chapter 11" but similar, and,uhm no.. they stated that the observation period was extended till december. One may guess that nevrax has done what they can to increase (even if temporary) the player base and subscribers, to prove the auditors that the business plan is acceptable. But yes, it is perfectly possible that the result is negative.

Spring cleaning Tyr lol , = retranscript the codes of the first dev team who is long gone

That can be true yes, Nevrax had a reorganization, developers knowing the code internals maybe moved to other projects, so you need other developers to train.

[gillest]

Ohh, missed the Dec 05 info, thx for update Anissa
Redressement Judiciaire in french yes, can't think of english translation tho .

[morzyr]

On 04-05-05 Nevrax did something which I consider as very courageous and very fair toward players: recognising publically the financial problems and that the company was under financial watch (can't remember English word)
08-05-05 was supposed to be the end and the tribunal decision on the futur of the company: I have been looking and looking everywhere on forums to find some info about what the futur was holding = total silence .. secret policy...

Yes i agree, but this after major qustions on the forums

I like your analysis of Spring cleaning Tyr lol , = retranscript the codes of the first dev team who is long gone but keep it secret and give it a fancy name so noone exactly know the truth

Well i was not meaning the spring clean but it was mostly what happen then also as part of it. actulay what i meant happen in 2004

That can be true yes, Nevrax had a reorganization, developers knowing the code internals maybe moved to other projects, so you need other developers to train.

Not only you need to keep it a secret you need to find some really good ones with the same ide and visions what the other in the team has.

Sad to see you go tho Tyr, was great having you around

Thx gillest, was allways fun to have our nighly long talks and you was allways been a great ingame friend.

[ariwen]

Sorry to hear that your considering leaving the game. And I didnt know that the Compnay was being watched, in a finacial way. Very interesting information.

As far as the game is concerned, in the United States, Advertisement on TV would get more people interested in this game, yet I have never seen anything on this game over here. I cant even find the Game in the stores.

It scares me to think that this game will die due to players leaving. Yet at same time I understand the frustation of the players who are expecting more from the game.

I just want to say one thing about the Developers. How many of you are artist, and know about computer programming? It take longer then most people think to work the kinks out of programs, One example I might point out is Microsoft windows. It was developed years ago and still has problems.

I do know one thing of all the games and game content out there in the stores right now, none can compare to this game. Not the graphics, not the extent in different skills avaliable. Most games just dont rate with this game as far as I am concerned. Yet of course that is just my oppinion.

I tend to be very loyal, and will stick around and support this game for a long time, hopefully!

[gillest]

So true Ariwen:
One of the best game to hit the stores even after one year, problem is its hardly in store and even game sellers don't know it.
Very big promotional issue indeed.

As from the game itself, none beats it yet; which I presume is main reason for so many long time players staying (full of hope for the game) despite the very long wait for some added content

[carrie]

Not the graphics, not the extent in different skills avaliable. Most games just dont rate with this game as far as I am concerned. Yet of course that is just my oppinion.

I tend to be very loyal, and will stick around and support this game for a long time, hopefully!

I would've agreed with you in regard to the graphics until the last few days. I've begun my search for a new game and I've discovered that the graphics for the up and coming games are at worst comparable and at best leave Ryzom in the dust. The skills available in many of the new games are just as diverse.

I've been incredibly loyal to Ryzom up to this point...been here since March 2004, but I see my departure looming.

[numinein]

I honestly don't think that they'll do anything, until Ryzom Ring comes out. thats why Im staying. IF they say we shape the future of the game, isn't creating your own maps and missions the way to do it? why complain but instead wait until that piece of magic comes out, so you can make what you think should be in the game. as for the FvF STOP COMPLAINING, there are other things to do. well for us yellow players damn purples.