Personnal Vision of the pvp event

[tylarth]

from the annoucement by the guild of elias of the attempt of a suprise attack by jena (and karavan attempts to kill the spys/agents), the reactions of races after, the affirmation of loyalties and alliances of races, the affirmation of guild loyalties to faction, then 1st part of war being construction of temples (war college and faction command bases for a realistic view) And a pure warzone for the follower to make this faction construction (and prevent/slow the opposed one).

This build up is based on a basis of mutual kara/kami hostility (see higher powers lore), the present faction loyalty of the races, and the duty of the leaders to their people (they cannot allow personal friendship or aquaintances to compromise their nations security and beliefs, such would be an awful betrayal of position).

This is a pvp even with reward (presumably based on honour). Harvesters are the prime targets in this event, and yes they are soft targets, hence the need of cooperation from the fighters to both defend and stop opposed harvesters. I fight in harvest gear i will kill others until clear to dig, the harvester is the most important individual on the pvp map, and earns unmolested the biggest amount of honour points as a result. (3200 hon for 100 x q250, or 1600 hon for 100 x q200, compared to 208 hon i get for a solo kill on a 250 player. Also the harvester provide Honour for the crafter too, but as crafting is safer the reward is smaller 10 x q250 pieces is 320).

This event has given me a definative purpose in playing ryzom that will lead to a player decided conclusion, not the repetative persistant usual mmorgp gameplay, For this reason of story dynamism alone i applaud nevrax. And unlike most preset PvP systems this one shows the true horrors and passions of war, because we know the enemy, they are not faceless and alien from their own isolated lands with a language/chat not understood. This make this story so more powerful and involving, very much worth sticking to, but interacting, engrossing oneself. For if ryzom fails there'll likely not be something this original and risky(from a business sense) for a long time.

[wyeth]

[QUOTE=mrshad]How very Jerry Springer.

You and your guild have been on the "borderline psychopath" list for months.


Me and my guild heva been on the "borderline psychopath" list for month ?
I am not realy sure to understand what you mean.
As i dont know you IG i dont say nothing on you
We are not at Jerry s show

[mtsmith]

People who slaughter defenseless civilian targets don't either.

Killing Kitin is about the only thing worthy of honour going on, and its not rewarded.

Jena never heard of Nobel and nobody in the community wants to give you any prizes. I understand your point of view; I simply have no respect for it. There is nothing defenseless about most of the diggers out there, Jyudas. In fact, if I were to run up on a group of them from the other faction with a pick in hand, I would be asking for a flaming ball of ooze to knock me on my can. Killing enemy diggers in Ryzom is no different than bombing a supply train or attacking an enemy fortification. In war, when the enemy is detected fortifying a structure, the first thing done is to devise a plan to stop said fortification process. We don't know yet what these temples will do, and it is entirely possible that they are being built for purely asthetic value, though I find that to be a little unbelievable. Either way, we play the cards we are dealt.

If Nevrax deems war a necessary part of Atys life, then I say embrace it and have a good time. If you don't like it, do something else. For that matter, if you can't accept it for what it is, perhaps you should play a different game, since you obviously refuse to take things for what they are.

We are all creatures of free will and yet you consistently refuse to execute that free will in anything but blubbering in the forums and in game about how things aren't the way you want them. Talk is cheap and the kiddies are buying Jyudas dolls at a D00.10 a pop. By the way, I have yet to see you in AD. This disappoints me to no end, especially when I know you have been there on multiple occassions.

[norvic]

It has always been obviuos that there would be some form of conflict from readin the box before you even install the game. Where you have Two major external influences vying for control/protection of a group of semi-primitive peoples.
The story line so far does support the inevitability of this conflict but how Homins themselves react to it is entirely open to personal choice.

PvP however is a different matter, PvP for PvP's sake, fine then no holds barred but in the context of a mmorg with a storyline there has to be more thought involved.

Saying to somone if you dont like it then get out is not a great arguement those players are playing the same storyline as yourself and are paying their sub to do it. When areas related in a major way too the storyline are treated in this way then if people cant participate then a proportion of them will quit and leave and unfortunatly often these are the people who embrace the storyline more actively and drive the game forward.

There is a place for PvP but it must have more consequence. Killing an unarmed player in a war zone should be possible but you shouldnt just be given "Honour" points like they were throwing nukes at you.

Alot more attention needs to be given to the consequences of PvP the situation at the moment means somone with no interest whatsover in the background of Atys can do just whatever they feel like.

I personally will not be shooting at Harvesters for one thing, there is no "Honour" in it whatsoever, however I must apologise to one Kami standin there pick in hand on a rush forward who I gunned down (name forgotten sorry)

Mistakes get made on all sides in a war and one of those who need to sort some mistakes are Nevrax who still need to do alot of work on PvP when related to a Storyline atm they have just licenced the Psychos.

[grimjim]

We are all creatures of free will and yet you consistently refuse to execute that free will in anything but blubbering in the forums and in game about how things aren't the way you want them. Talk is cheap and the kiddies are buying Jyudas dolls at a D00.10 a pop. By the way, I have yet to see you in AD. This disappoints me to no end, especially when I know you have been there on multiple occassions.

Strange, I could have sworn I saw a great many people from both sides digging together in peace several times.

You talk about free will yet you support this, that's hypocrisy - something I can't stand. You're fine with free will so long as it's YOUR free will to act as you choose, supported by the game while a great many others are completely denied the ability to act as they choose, to have an element of choice.

I really, really don't understand why there's such a mental block on this its not that difficult a concept to grasp.

[holina]

If someone wants to kill harvesters it's perfectly legitimate, it is an FvF area, you are there to harvest, kill or be killed.

It's also perfectly legitimate that some might find killing harvesters unhonorable and will treat you like a scum IC for killing them.

Harvesting in peace on the same spot even tho you are enemies is also a perfectly legitimate thing.

Not rezzing/healing your comrades cause they killed harvesters also perefectly OK, as is for the above mentioned comrade to treat you like a scum IC for not helping him/her and betraying your faction.

Trying to reason with your own faction to leave the enemy diggers at site "A" dig in peace is also perfectly legitimate. Both your faction and you can treat eachother as scum IC if you wish.

It's perfectly OK to pull aggro on the enemy or even your own people, be them diggers or fighters. Ofc, you might be treated like scum IC for doing this, but that's perfectly legitimate aswell.



These are (some of) the rules of the provided FvF area. If you don't like it, don't go there. If you don't like playing a game having an FvF area with the above mentioned rules, ask the developers to change the rules or end you subscription. If you don't like people who are asking the developers to change the rules, you are free to argue with them, ignore them or end your subscription.

*waits for the pimpslap(s)*

Note, I'm not saying that I'm happy with how Ryzom is atm, far from it. I'm just rehashing the current rules so it's clear for everyone.

<sarcasm> It's so nice when the forums have PvP aswell </sarcasm>

[sx4rlet]

These are (some of) the rules of the provided FvF area. If you don't like it, don't go there. If you don't like playing a game having an FvF area with the above mentioned rules, ask the developers to change the rules or end you subscription. If you don't like people who are asking the developers to change the rules, you are free to argue with them, ignore them or end your subscription.

HAHA, I love it.
If you don't like peaceful diggers in your FvF area, don't go there, you don't have to do PvP / FvF there.
LOL!

[grimjim]

HAHA, I love it.
If you don't like peaceful diggers in your FvF area, don't go there, you don't have to do PvP / FvF there.
LOL!

Yeah, get lost into the roots and have your fun there somewhere, away from the sources too

Its not like you HAVE to enter the Dunes to have PvP

[michielb]

I've posted the full lyrics of Frank Zappa's Dumb all over somewhere on this forum but for those of you who missed it.....you can read them here

Those who understand what is meant by the lyrics, they probably don't apply to you, those who don't... yur just Dumb all over

[evilek]

My personal vision of this (pvp) event is (please understand I mean really MINE vision and is not my guild or Xyreen vision):

Harvesters are players as everyone else, if someone of the opposite faction wanna kill them is legitimate to do it, cause the storyline of the game is kami vs karavan, both vs kitins... if u during your ingame hours of play ignored that and open a friendship with the opposite faction players is not a Nevrax fault, is your fault.
Me personally killed some harvesters and got killed, I didn't drag aggros vs they did.

Ipocrisy like "ehi mate I kill you cause this event, after that I will continue to be your friend" doesn't work with me cause I see always the same 3-4 ppl killing me, this means they have some personal motivations against me and I will be, as fireback, against them in this event and after.

I don't care about be nuked, just respawn and no death penality... I think drag aggro, that cause death penality, is very lamer and I will report that to gms cause this is not "true pvp", is just a fast way to p****d me off.

PvP system in this game is dumb cause once u're 250 in melee/ele and u have max q items the first shooter is the winner, no strategy...

Karavan and Kami should have different chat channels.

In addiction to the craft, harvest and fighter top 10 should be also a total honour top 10 players... as u will get a prize also for that (statue?...) u need to know if you're going good or not.

About RP: I talk as Kami, cause I'm Kami (ingame... in RL i think I'm a true Karavan cyberpunk ).
Kami = defenders of the nature, for that u should automatically hate Karavans who don't respect nature building artificial structures... if u tolerate that maybe u're not a real Kami follower

All that is extremely In My Honestly Opinion.
I speaked for myself, after some days experiencing this event.

cya on Aelius Dunes