propaganda?

[baco13]

There have been numerous post about not wanting pvp even before episode 2

There are a lot of posts by the same people who don't like pvp after episode 2 (mostly made by the same people over and over and over again)

Now some of those same people say they may want to leave ryzom

my question is, do these same people really mean what they say or are those same people just trying to put a lot of propaganda on the forum and hope that in this way the pvp will be gone again and their selfish ideas of how the game should be get realised by nevrax?

Point to be taken: not everything can be as you want it to be

[grimjim]

There have been numerous post about not wanting pvp even before episode 2

There are a lot of posts by the same people who don't like pvp after episode 2 (mostly made by the same people over and over and over again)

Now those same people say they may want to leave ryzom

my question is, do these same people really mean it or are those same people just trying to put a lot of propaganda on the forum and hope that in this way the pvp will be gone again and their selfish ideas of how the game should be get realised by nevrax?

Point to be taken: not everything can be as you want it to be

There were/are equally few pros.
The various polls etc beforehand bore out the anti-PvP's stance.
My ultimate decision still rests on R2.

Its not propaganda, its genuine feeling.

[thebax]

Yes I think they mean it, as many have already left/cancelled their subs.

No, not everything can be as the majority wants it. That is called a totalitarian state. Given the chance, everyone but high officials escapes a totalitarian state. All subscribers have the chance.

First, remove more than half the population from each server. Then take into account the short attention span of 733+ kids, and "on the fence" types who get fed up with being ganked. The remainder is what will be left of the player base if Neverax does not come to their senses.

[aylwyne]

In my opinion, the problem isn't so much that these people don't want PvP at all in the game (although there are some that definitely do feel that way). The problem is that these people have been waiting for nearly a year for a system where they can directly influence the game and the story only to find out that the only way they can do that is to open themselves up to PvP combat.

Like if there were two different old lands you could go to, one PvP combat and one not, then people could choose and there probably wouldn't be the outcry. They could make the non-PvP combat region be MUCH higher kitin aggro and maybe have slightly different objectives for the two, perhaps slightly different rewards, catering to the PvP combat and non-PvP combat crowds but at least it would give both sides the chance to participate in the overall task of constructing a temple for their faction.

P.S. I include myself in "these people" that have been waiting and are bitter about the situation.

[kazuki]

I used to council my son not to mistake hurt for anger. I think it is a very apt comment in these times that will one day be Atys' history.

You see, Baco13, when we populated Atys it was with a sense of awe and celebration. Our beautiful world, ours to create by our actions, our intentions made concrete by us.

Those who had started in the first beta, then our focus beta testers, then the open betas; those who had beheld the visions of the devs in picture and interview and script came away with what we believed was a true representation of what was intended for this world.

Some of these early inhabitants of Atys became our Elders. They shared their collective wisdom with us, guiding us through our entry into the heart of Atys, manifesting their love for her to us in ways we could never forget. I will never forget the homins that got me through the Roots, to other civilizations... These homins gave the soul of Atys to me, to us. I cried from joy when I got to the Lakelands. Do you understand that? Many here do. Many of The Disappeared did.

Whatever their beliefs, PvP or non really does not matter. Each time one of them leaves a chunk of the soul of Atys goes with them. The barrenness of the land of Episode2 may well be a prophecy.

[philu]

my question is, do these same people really mean it or are those same people just trying to put a lot of propaganda on the forum and hope that in this way the pvp will be gone again and their selfish ideas of how the game should be get realised by nevrax?

I have been trying to stay away from the forums the last couple of days. Not wanting to get drawn into anymore debate over this because I think that the deabte over EP2 is ripping the community apart. Then I read this drivel!

Selfish?! I think you will find that what the majority of people who are threatening to quit are complaining about is Nevrax's broken promises. Is it selfish to ask Nevrax to give the players the game they promised? Of course not!

Point to be taken: not everything can be as you want it to be

How about it being what was promised? How about that?

The thing that saddens me (and angers a little too) about your post is you don't even realise that these 'selfish' players are the ones that made this game and it's community so good. A lot of the names I have seen talking about leaving have contributed a hell of a lot.

Can you say the same? I doubt it very much mate. It's exactly your kind of attitude that is causing a rift in this community. One that is driving people away from the game and the forum.

[baco13]

It's exactly your kind of attitude that is causing a rift in this community. One that is driving people away from the game and the forum.

I can say the same thing about 90% of your last twenty posts, take a look at the post from aylwyne in this thread, that is a constructive reply

[aelvana]

The only thing I think is harmful is exaggeration about people leaving to make it appear a more worrysome situation. It's a very human thing to do -- I'm not passing judgement -- but it is harmful to the community and game.

[michielb]

The only thing I think is harmful is exaggeration about people leaving to make it appear a more worrysome situation. It's a very human thing to do -- I'm not passing judgement -- but it is harmful to the community and game.

You're right it is, but I don't see nevrax in here to put a stop to it. I don't see them adressing the concerns that have been expressed here long before E2 hit the servers. I don't see them telling us they've heard us and that things aren't gonna be nearly as bad as we think they're gonna be.

I apreciate they don't want to give away too much afraid to spoil the story but they will need people to tell it to so they might want to start some damage control

[blaah]

The only thing I think is harmful is exaggeration about people leaving to make it appear a more worrysome situation. It's a very human thing to do -- I'm not passing judgement -- but it is harmful to the community and game.

hide head to sand and pretend everything is alright ?

players are leaving because ryzom is turning to pure PvP/FvF game.
simple as that.

<beep> the community. that community is nuking their former friends in "new" zone. PvP ppl dont mind, but for non-PvP it's like getting raped.