2 patches ago... think it was labled 83? .... whatever it was... the one about a week and a half ago now... same thing started with me... tracking supreme out of season.... and not just in one or two spots...
I'm fairly sure that harvesting was "tweaked" (industry term for "altered for the worse") along with that patch despite it not being included in the patch notes... the "no materials..." message you reference.... in my opinion ... has been way overused ever since that patch.
But... to directly answer the Q... tracking never tracked out of season before that I am aware of... and does now....
/cheer? i think not,
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Re: Twilight Zone with Support
brithlem wrote:2 patches ago... think it was labled 83? .... whatever it was... the one about a week and a half ago now... same thing started with me... tracking supreme out of season.... and not just in one or two spots...
I'm fairly sure that harvesting was "tweaked" (industry term for "altered for the worse") along with that patch despite it not being included in the patch notes... the "no materials..." message you reference.... in my opinion ... has been way overused ever since that patch.
But... to directly answer the Q... tracking never tracked out of season before that I am aware of... and does now....
/cheer? i think not,
I dont know why you think this but I disagree cause of two reasons.
1.) On this spot I did extensive numerous amounts of supreme only prospects and never once did I get and out of season message. Yes I told the CSR that
a.) the combination of tracking the supreme only
b.) then supreme only prospect with and without material specilization
without an Out of Season (OOS) message
gives me the following conclusions:
a.) That the supreme is in season and not poppingORb.) That there is a bug with incorrect messages for prospecting
2.) I've done supreme only prospects and have gotten that that material is not in season.
You state you think this was introducted couple patches ago. We'll the fact that Petej and others also agree with me makes me believe our view versus yours
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I don't see what difference there is in views.... I'm agreeing that I've been seeing the same issue you all have... except to say that i ( in addition to a few other PR diggers i've discussed this with) had never had these problems before a few patches ago and was posting to see if others have had the same problems starting around the same time in more than just one PR spot.
Whether it's an undocumented change or a bug.... can't really be answered in my opinion... by anyone other than the CSR / Dev team. All I know is I'm getting a much wider... more finicky (spelling?) list of messages while both prospecting and tracking.
While I understand that you take everything that comes out of my mouth as a personal affront against which you "righteously" struggle... perhaps if you read my first post again you'll come to other conculsions regarding what I am attempting to bring to this discussion....
Whether it's an undocumented change or a bug.... can't really be answered in my opinion... by anyone other than the CSR / Dev team. All I know is I'm getting a much wider... more finicky (spelling?) list of messages while both prospecting and tracking.
While I understand that you take everything that comes out of my mouth as a personal affront against which you "righteously" struggle... perhaps if you read my first post again you'll come to other conculsions regarding what I am attempting to bring to this discussion....
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Re: Twilight Zone with Support
Yup, started to happen to me too since 3 or 4 patchs. If you want the right message, reduce the cone angle and range of your prospect ( i use 90° and 20m when i want the message). It seems that if less of half of your prospect covers the spot, you'll will get the message "no raw mats detected" rather than "empty" or "wrong season" (hope this sentence is understandable) .
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brithlem wrote:I don't see what difference there is in views.... I'm agreeing that I've been seeing the same issue you all have...
I only disagreed cause you stated you had out of season tracking. You state you dont see what we disagree on.... OOS tracking is a pretty big topic to disagree on.
brithlem wrote: 2 patches ago... think it was labled 83? .... whatever it was... the one about a week and a half ago now... same thing started with me... tracking supreme out of season.... and not just in one or two spots...
Its nothing personal here its just that your stating you've seen OOS tracking
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Re: Twilight Zone with Support
Sinful, you are 100% correct. The CSR you spoke with gave you incorrect information. This is a bug, I reported it months ago, and yes, it's been around for months, it's only gotten worse recently (it used to be very spotty and inconsistant, now it consistantly gives you the wrong message). The system gives you the incorrect message "no raw materials were detected in this area" even when you're standing on top of the mats, they are in season and would be available to dig. Problem is, they are empty, but instead of giving you the correct "there used to be....but they have been used up and are empty for a while" message, it gives you the wrong message. If you move around a bit you may actually get the correct message, but probably not before blowing 3000 focus points to do so. 
Re: Twilight Zone with Support
I don't dig PR as much as the rest of the regions, and I am aware that the rules are different in a number of ways down there, but I am a master digger in at least two regions. What I mean to say is that my experience may or may not be applicable in this case. Take it for what you feel it is worth.
1) I think the CSR may well have been feeding you a line of bunk. Whenever you try to track a source that is out of season, you should recieve one of three messages. The "Out of Season","You have detected the presence of raw materials, but they are of a different class than...", or, at least, "No specified raw materials were detected by your current prospecting action." If you were indeed tracking an out of season mat, the CSR should have thanked you for reporting a bug, and submitted it to the developers. If it was actually there, then goto 2
2) I don't know why, but if I use greater than range 3 on my search prospect, I often recieve either the "No raw materials detected", or the "you have detetected the presence of raw materials, but..." messages. Even when standing atop them. It does seem that the more crowded the field, the smaller my range has to be to be affective, ie. range 3 usually works fine, but in FF I often have to reduce it to 2 for it to work. Perhaps the area you were prospecting in was so full of other mats, it confused the system? Or maybe PR digging is that much more finicky now? Did you try it with range 2 and 1?
1) I think the CSR may well have been feeding you a line of bunk. Whenever you try to track a source that is out of season, you should recieve one of three messages. The "Out of Season","You have detected the presence of raw materials, but they are of a different class than...", or, at least, "No specified raw materials were detected by your current prospecting action." If you were indeed tracking an out of season mat, the CSR should have thanked you for reporting a bug, and submitted it to the developers. If it was actually there, then goto 2
2) I don't know why, but if I use greater than range 3 on my search prospect, I often recieve either the "No raw materials detected", or the "you have detetected the presence of raw materials, but..." messages. Even when standing atop them. It does seem that the more crowded the field, the smaller my range has to be to be affective, ie. range 3 usually works fine, but in FF I often have to reduce it to 2 for it to work. Perhaps the area you were prospecting in was so full of other mats, it confused the system? Or maybe PR digging is that much more finicky now? Did you try it with range 2 and 1?
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I find that the only way to reliably get the "node is empty for a while" message is to be right on top of the node and to use a sup only prospect action with only 5 meter range. I find if the range is bigger than that, I start to get inconsistent messages from prospecting even when using the same stanza.
If a mat is out of season, I cannot track it, nor could I ever track it from what I remember.
As for "not available at this moment" messages, I typically see those above ground when its daytime and the node is only available at night, or vise versa. If the daytime or nighttime is correct is correct for the node, then I see weather messages if the node doesn't pop.
If a mat is out of season, I cannot track it, nor could I ever track it from what I remember.
As for "not available at this moment" messages, I typically see those above ground when its daytime and the node is only available at night, or vise versa. If the daytime or nighttime is correct is correct for the node, then I see weather messages if the node doesn't pop.
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"Someone with 5 posts and no sig telling Sinful, the digmeister, that he is wrong made my day. Thanks for your input, I am sure he will stop asking now that he has this info."
i thought this game was full of mature adults, this response is a picture perfect example of someting a 14 year old, home from school would say...my question to you Doubletap...
wtf does having 5 posts and no signature mean? does it mean the poster has no relevance? does it mean hes a stupid newbie?
or maybe it could be, the poster just doesnt care for message boards, your logic is flawed, but since you have a colorful signature and hundreds of posts, maybe one day i can be as cool as you...lol..
i thought this game was full of mature adults, this response is a picture perfect example of someting a 14 year old, home from school would say...my question to you Doubletap...
wtf does having 5 posts and no signature mean? does it mean the poster has no relevance? does it mean hes a stupid newbie?
or maybe it could be, the poster just doesnt care for message boards, your logic is flawed, but since you have a colorful signature and hundreds of posts, maybe one day i can be as cool as you...lol..
