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Supreme Amber

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Ok I have a question since our GM's really tried there hardest to anwer, but just couldnt figure out a reason. I spent 6 hours on the Nexus today and tried to get the Amber to pop. One spot I know of pops at a specific time weather and season, all the right specifications. Yet the supreme Amber would never pop.

"It was all harvested" of whats the respawn rate. It is given for mobs, why not foraged material??

"wrong season" Ok, why does it say weather soconditions on one but wrong season on the other, wouldnt it be season problem on both??

Usually when all the materials have been harvested you will get a source depleted message.

"Well the sources move" Since when did the foraged materials move locations on the Nexus??

Last but not least Why do we get a weather condition message, when the source pops on the weather condition, cant there be another message to let us know we got the correct weather but just not right time of day ??

Can I get some help Please, Im really trying not to sound grumbly about things just would like to know why things that should be consistent in the game are not. And if they are not consistent can we at least know that they are not, that they are random forageable respawns? and how long the randomness is??, you give an estimate on mobs, could you not also give foragers a little more detail???
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Re: Supreme Amber

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hiyas i can try and give u some answers. please excuse me as i am a bit drunk hihi/

first thing to say i have waited about 5 hours on several occasions for supreme zun to pop in the roots o.O

"It was all harvested" of whats the respawn rate. It is given for mobs, why not foraged material??
the respawn rate is similar to boss mobs, there is a random element but its generally 3-5 RL days.

"wrong season" Ok, why does it say weather soconditions on one but wrong season on the other, wouldnt it be season problem on both??
one but season on other? do u mean there are two seperate spots in the nexus for the same material. if that true its more than possible they are there in different seasons. a material is not tied to a season. the area *and* the material are dependant on season. so for example you may get supreme from one spot but not another in a specific season. it should be consistent though so u can test this.

Usually when all the materials have been harvested you will get a source depleted message.
yup :) although the depleted msg just means they are gone for a short while on that exact spot, back in 15mins or so but normally u can move a bit and find more. when the exc or sup have gone u get a msg that says umm something like 'the materials have all been used up' the short one that says just depleted is nothing to worry about (told u i was drunk, cant explain myself at all ;) )

"Well the sources move" Since when did the foraged materials move locations on the Nexus??
they do, but not very far generally :)

Last but not least Why do we get a weather condition message, when the source pops on the weather condition, cant there be another message to let us know we got the correct weather but just not right time of day ??
DT explained this in another post on the general board, there is a 'sweet spot' aparently in the correct weather when the mats pop.

hic ;)
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Re: Supreme Amber

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1) "It was all harvested" of whats the respawn rate. It is given for mobs, why not foraged material??
Supreme foraged mats is not equal to boss mobs,

2) "wrong season" Ok, why does it say weather soconditions on one but wrong season on the other, wouldnt it be season problem on both??
amber type A is spring and Fall, Amber type B is summer and winter

3)"Well the sources move" Since when did the foraged materials move locations on the Nexus??
This was told to me by a GM, well maybe the source has moved

4)Usually when all the materials have been harvested you will get a source depleted message. there is no message for used up Suprem on Nexus, except at the moment you use all the mats, next person comes along they dont get that message," just wrong weather"

5) Why no location for Supreme ql 250 foragable materials for forest foraging??

Is this better?
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ariwen wrote:1) "It was all harvested" of whats the respawn rate. It is given for mobs, why not foraged material??
Supreme foraged mats is not equal to boss mobs,
No, but as Rushin explained, the spawn rates are similar
ariwen wrote:2) "wrong season" Ok, why does it say weather soconditions on one but wrong season on the other, wouldnt it be season problem on both??
amber type A is spring and Fall, Amber type B is summer and winter
Dont understand your problem here ?
ariwen wrote:5) Why no location for Supreme ql 250 foragable materials for forest foraging??
Outside of Prime Roots, only Nexus has Supreme forageable mats. There are no forageable race specific Supreme mats for the other 3 races.
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ariwen wrote:1) 2) "wrong season" Ok, why does it say weather conditions on one but wrong season on the other, wouldnt it be season problem on both??
amber type A is spring and Fall, Amber type B is summer and winter
my mistake, Gm was saying the both spot were in Wrong season. Yet Ambers were different seasons,
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I personally would like to meet the GM that knows when mats are available thruout ATYS... They know what they know and try and appease you on the rest...

Unfortunately, most of them don't even play the game and their experience comes from asking "players" for answers and OJT. If it's not mechanic related and in their troubleshooting guide... they are not gameplay experts...

The stuff you see on player made sites surpasses what they "know"...
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ariwen wrote:Last but not least Why do we get a weather condition message, when the source pops on the weather condition, cant there be another message to let us know we got the correct weather but just not right time of day ??
did you prospect sup only ?
it can (and will) give wrong error message othervise
ariwen wrote: Can I get some help Please, Im really trying not to sound grumbly about things just would like to know why things that should be consistent in the game are not. And if they are not consistent can we at least know that they are not, that they are random forageable respawns? and how long the randomness is??, you give an estimate on mobs, could you not also give foragers a little more detail???
atys weather system is fubar at best. i thought that there is 5 possible weather conditions but now i'm almost positive that there is 10.
more on here

we need barometer ;-)
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ariwen wrote:1) "It was all harvested" of whats the respawn rate. It is given for mobs, why not foraged material??
Supreme foraged mats is not equal to boss mobs
Some supreme mats are available every season, some are available in only a couple seasons, some are available in only 1 season. For supreme mats that are available every season, once the source is used up, it appears to take a full Atys year for the source to recharge. For the others, the node recharges some when the mat goes out of season and come back into season.
ariwen wrote:2) "wrong season" Ok, why does it say weather soconditions on one but wrong season on the other, wouldnt it be season problem on both??
Different grades of the same mats may be available in different seasons. Make sure you use "Choice only", "Excellent Only" or "Supreme only" in your track/prospect action so you can make sure you are looking for the mat you want. Some mats may have the different grades available in different seasons. ie excellent zun available in spring, but supreme zun is not.
ariwen wrote:3)"Well the sources move" Since when did the foraged materials move locations on the Nexus??
This was told to me by a GM, well maybe the source has moved
That seems unlikely they were moved. My guess is that you were trying to use a large range prospect, ie 40 meter or more, and the supreme mats were already used up. Then you would get a message like "no specific raw materials were found". In this case you need to be right on top of a node and use a 5 meter prospect to get the "node used up and will be empty for a while" message. Or I suppose you may have been close to another mat besides Zun and that was affecting your prospect/track too.
ariwen wrote:4)Usually when all the materials have been harvested you will get a source depleted message. there is no message for used up Suprem on Nexus, except at the moment you use all the mats, next person comes along they dont get that message," just wrong weather"
I believe the message for when all the supreme mats are gone is something like "the materials have all been depleted and will now be empty for a while" At least that's how it works in PR. I don't forage in Nexus so not sure if its the same.
ariwen wrote:5) Why no location for Supreme ql 250 foragable materials for forest foraging??
You should be thankful you get q200 supremes in Nexus. The Forest is the only place where there are supreme mats above ground. All the other races have to go to PR.
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Re: Supreme Amber

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i gave up trying to figure the weather out a long time ago, all i make sure about is the season when it pops and then i sit, i wait, i pray, and i hope nobody has beaten me to the punch. 5 hours later im usually looking at a "empty for awhile" message contemplating suicide :)

best way to see if the conditions are right is to setup a tracker with the "only" choice, but im pretty sure you know that anyway.
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enemy123 wrote:i gave up trying to figure the weather out a long time ago, all i make sure about is the season when it pops and then i sit, i wait, i pray, and i hope nobody has beaten me to the punch. 5 hours later im usually looking at a "empty for awhile" message contemplating suicide :)
lol, me too. the life of a pr/nexus digger is not an easy one :)
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