PR Digger Saved!

[asaseth]

If that's what you were told, quite simply put, you have been told a lie. People of way different alignments and play styles have been attacked by your guild while digging. If you have read your guild's official stance, any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed, and your trustworthy ally has kindly stated that anyone who is against PvP on the forum 'is painting a fat target' on himself. Surely you don't suppose the people who dig nodes you want and those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers?

As for compromise, it has been put forward times and again: those guilds that have expressed their love in unrestricted, non-faction based PvP can simply confront each other and leave others alone. So far I have seen two guilds taking this stance.

Roots diggers:
If we don't get along.... beware. If we're cool / don't know ya... you have nothing to worry about.

I can only think of one person we've actually dropped over a supernode.... her name will remain annymous as I don't feel it right to bring other people into a thread without their own consent.

We have dropped a guild on top of a supernode source before. But... and this is a big but... it was not over the mats.

Another player I won't bring into this without his consent and I were on our way to the super amber node... we got a great vorax add... spent 10 mins running about trying not to wipe but finally did. A player from the guild we dropped came over... looked at us... and left. So... when our guys came... we got our rez and dropped the other guild. Later the guild came back and dug supreme right next to us... we didn't touch them... they didn't touch us. We hit them because they left us for dead. Pretty simple. We could have dropped them when supreme was up... proof was in the fact that we dropped them 5 mins earlier ... we didn't because we felt that situation was over and were ready to move on.

Further... We've dug next to Melinoe, Omega, ON, Yoshi, KoO... the list goes on and on...

Large guilds that could perhaps whoop us... and small guilds / solo diggers that wouldn't stand a chance.

If you need someone to hate / fear... we're happy to be it... but if you actually look at what's being presented you'll realize the only people that need fear us already know who they are... and more importantly why.

Well, gee wizz, Grim, while earlier I stated that view, I later appologized for being uninformed. Seeing as how this is the 'official reply' (from the topic of same name) and nowhere in there does it say

any digger that happens to be on a node your guild wants is to be killed

, it would appear that you are the one who is misinformed. As far as the trusted ally thing goes, I think that Basic was jokeing then. Seeing as how there has been no new topics about Basic going down in roots and ganking anyone that has been complaining or otherwise displaying displeasure of PvP on the forums, this is fairly accurate. *edit: sorry, though you were talking about another time Basic said this, nearly a week ago.*

those against PvP all happen to be griefers or mob draggers?

No where in here or my previous post did I infer this. All the ones that I have herd of, both from Vent, guild channel, guild forum, guild website forums, and here, were draggers, gainkers them selves, or had declaired war on Infinity. Now, if you can find any instances of Infinity killing anyone that is not part of these, then please post them. The ones involving Lockheart don't realy count. Sometimes he is alright, but sometimes he is a bit troublesome. The ones involveing him require a case-by-case look.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity

[grimjim]

Why can't you make it into a RP thing? So what if your attackers dont. You are the one PRETENDING everything that goes on in your game play. How come you can't RP your deaths? Or do you only know how to RP when you are not being killed by other homins. I don't understand why one can't RP a fight just because the other side isnt. Doesnt make sense to me... but then again maybe I am missing something here.

Jyudas: Bandit! I have returned with friends to destroy you.
PeeKay: bandit? d00d, wtf?!? bandits are mobs!
Jyudas: You slew me out of hand, despite the fact I am kami like you and was trying to protect harvesters from the kitin here.
PeeKay: OMGWTF? LOL! PvP Zone n00b! you come here we kill you
Jyudas: Murdering bandits, die!
Peekay: WTFever! Cool a battle!

*PeeKay's friends show up annihilating the anti PvP crew while shouting things like 'pwned' and 'n00b' until finally the anti-PvP crew get bored with endless rezzes and respawns and leave*

Jyudas: OOC: Well that was a waste of time and just gave them what they wanted. They don't understand how they look to anyone else who plays and fighting them just gave them a good fight.

Meanwhile...

PeeKay: D00D! That was teh awesome! Lets kill more people so they get pissed off at us again! LOL!

Short version...

Its pointless. You can try to rationalise their actions using RP but it only takes you so far.

[grimjim]

Yes this is true, but isnt it true that most of the game is not open pvp as well? I don't see a whole lot of areas open pvp. Seems like the non-pvps have gotten more land of their gameplay style, so why should so many people complain about the little bit of land that is pvp? People keep mentioning how the pvpers need to compromise when the non-pvpers are the ones who need to learn. It is not like the pvpers have the whole world open to pvp yet people complain about the tiny piece available.

You're still not getting it.

The root of the objection is that the pro-PvP camp are the ONLY gameplay faction with the ability to enforce their style of play, their desire, onto others against their will. Anything else is opt-outable. Don't say 'Well, you can steer clear of the PvP zones' because that's entirely irrelevent, especially when they contain gameplay elements, bosses, materials etc that have nothing directly to do with PvP. Then there's outposts, more content and advantage that comes with a bitter PvP aftertaste.

PvPers need to compromise because they're the ones with the ability to force their style of play onto others. They current have, wield and abuse that power in a consensus breaking fashion.

Most anti-PvPers will be happy to accept it in context and by the lore, that's the move towards compromise on their side. Is it SO hard to make that little bit of a concession?

[asaseth]

Jyudas: Bandit! I have returned with friends to destroy you.
PeeKay: bandit? d00d, wtf?!? bandits are mobs!
Jyudas: You slew me out of hand, despite the fact I am kami like you and was trying to protect harvesters from the kitin here.
PeeKay: OMGWTF? LOL! PvP Zone n00b! you come here we kill you
Jyudas: Murdering bandits, die!
Peekay: WTFever! Cool a battle!

*PeeKay's friends show up annihilating the anti PvP crew while shouting things like 'pwned' and 'n00b' until finally the anti-PvP crew get bored with endless rezzes and respawns and leave*

Jyudas: OOC: Well that was a waste of time and just gave them what they wanted. They don't understand how they look to anyone else who plays and fighting them just gave them a good fight.

Meanwhile...

PeeKay: D00D! That was teh awesome! Lets kill more people so they get pissed off at us again! LOL!

Short version...

Its pointless. You can try to rationalise their actions using RP but it only takes you so far.

I put an edit note on my post above. Sorry. As for this, if you can show me screen captures of anyone saying this carp while doing this, then please, put them up. In all the pvp stuff I have been in, I have yet to see this. Untill then, this is mearly blowing smoke.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity
Sorry about the spirit of the post, but this is getting aggrivateing.

[grimjim]

I put an edit note on my post above. Sorry. As for this, if you can show me screen captures of anyone saying this carp while doing this, then please, put them up. In all the pvp stuff I have been in, I have yet to see this. Untill then, this is mearly blowing smoke.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity
Sorry about the spirit of the post, but this is getting aggrivateing.

I have no screen caps but have encountered precisely this sort of behaviour on three seperate occasions - for someone who hardly ever goes to the PR and tends to leave the PvP events alone, that's more than enough.

Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.

[asaseth]

I have no screen caps but have encountered precisely this sort of behaviour on three seperate occasions - for someone who hardly ever goes to the PR and tends to leave the PvP events alone, that's more than enough.

Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.

That I can understand, once bitten and twice shy.

Actualy, I am protecting my guild. The fact that there are problem players that use said intrusive playstyle, one ore two of them in my guild, is beside the point, or atleast the point in my posts.

I can respect the lack of public namecalling. The bit about posting is kinda a standard response. Every character I play has a bit of me in it, and one of my character flaws is trying to get information on a subject befor makeing a decision. Been more than a fiew times I have herd something, and then went to the parties involved and quiried them further about it to get to the bottom of the subject.


Noh
Zorai
Infinity

[norvic]

Yes this is true, but isnt it true that most of the game is not open pvp as well? I don't see a whole lot of areas open pvp. Seems like the non-pvps have gotten more land of their gameplay style, so why should so many people complain about the little bit of land that is pvp? People keep mentioning how the pvpers need to compromise when the non-pvpers are the ones who need to learn. It is not like the pvpers have the whole world open to pvp yet people complain about the tiny piece available.

You quote my words out of context, it is very true that the majority of the land is not open PvP, I am not personally or are many others complaining about the smaller part that is, I do have an issue with the tone and personal attacks outside of this area perpetrated by some people who enjoy open PvP.

I have been on opposite sides to Jyudas in the past in Kami/Kara events for instance but battle over move on, dont need to spam the forums with analysis attacks insults etc we share alot of the same ground just the storyline puts us on different sides of the fence.

I see these forums as a place for game issues storyline etc, PvP has a place in this game you cant have a beleivable land with a backstory and no form of conflict that just doesnt happen, well not in any existance we know of yet anyway and certainly not in a game but if some people want to play as Pychotics killing for no reason but they can or the flimsy excuse of protecting resources at least keep the agravation in the PvP areas of the game ie the roots, and dont bring the attacks onto the boards.

[brithlem]

Please note that I am not specifically targetting infinity, you just happen to be protecting and promoting an intrusive playstyle populated by many of the arrogant kiddies depicted above.

I'm not about to start a public namecalling slinging match though, I'd prefer to work in more general terms and hope people see enough of themselves in it to start a wakeup call. Naming names just makes people defensive and in the case of people like this, more likely to get worse.

If you aren't namecalling... and truly want a "general" answer to this question... then why not start a thread about it? as opposed to only voicing your concern over this topic when Infinity is involved?

and as for protecting a play-style of people who run about yelling "noob" .... as I don't know anyone in my guild who talks like that ... I don't see where you get off putting that on us.


-Chrono...

The style / language of your posts shows nothing but maturity, intelligence, and composure... why is it the message behind the posts seems to be lacking these 3?


Do you all REALLY have nothing better to do than complain in the middle of a thread that was started as a complete joke??

:::This is a "Humor Zone" ... here guilds may laugh together... you will be a fair target of their humor in 30 seconds... be careful!:::

next thread topic:
Infinity is pushing humor on homins!

Quotes from said thread:
"... not only do they push humor on us... but they do so in a thread that is clearly a joke... it's impeding MY play style... god forbid I actually interact with other players in a way not 100% satisfactory to me..."

Lighten up,

[grimjim]

If you aren't namecalling... and truly want a "general" answer to this question... then why not start a thread about it? as opposed to only voicing your concern over this topic when Infinity is involved?

Learn.
To.
Read.

Additionally, oddly, these topics only seem to really come up in threads that involve infinity. Smoke, fire... I forget how the rest of that setting goes.

next thread topic: Infinity is pushing humor on homins!

Well, it wasn't very funny and was a hamfisted way to use humour to try and defend inexcusable behaviour by comparing apples and oranges and setting up a strawman argument. Besides that, not anyone's fault.

Now, how about addressing the proposals and comments rather than getting huffy and defensive?

[vinnyq]

I just want to throw something into the mess

I think Keoni is mainly mad because Brithlem "drop" Saranda (our guild leader) three times(?) already in the PR, without provocation on our part (waaaay before any of this escalate, and also because some of the attitudes of some former Infinity members (who has now moved on for KoO for some unknown reason).

To be fair keoni, I don't think the majority of the group that you're debating with, brith and friends, are those "gankers" type of pple. Except mebbe brith, but he can type coherent sentences, so I sorta like him

A few Infinity's also doesn't seem to be able to state their points without throwing some insults in there ( x2)

You guys have a different of opinions, stop being mean to each others and leave each others alone already ( x3).