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[szoszi]

well, all I want to know is.

What is the joke to the punch line "My mistake, 4 coffins"?

You really need to watch more movies man.

[keoni]

Also, by saying that we should be 'fighting it out for supremacy' means that you condone wars! Yet all you do is rant about peace and innocence here?

You haven't read what I've written very carefully. I am not a pacifist, I am working dilligently to help forge a powerful guild and alliance, with the full knowledge that power means nothing unless it is wielded.

Yet, I don't consider griefing or ganking to be fun - but apparently, a lot of your guild members do. You could, were you so inclined, play your little PvP games amongst each other, even while hanging out on ventrillo to rub in each kill. Happy happy, joy joy.

But you don't. Instead, you gank and grief people who you consider to be easy targets, and who you know would rather not play your little reindeer games. You want us to play *your* game. You talk about how people should have fun and lighten up - but you only care about what *you* consider fun. From all appearances, you all are so bored and creatively bankrupt that you can't have fun, unless it is at the expense of someone else's enjoyment of the game.

Personally, I find that sad and pathetic.

[keoni]

You really need to watch more movies man.

To the undertaker: "Get three coffins ready"...
*blam* *blam* *blam* *blam*
"My mistake - four coffins"... --Fistful of Dollars

[totnkopf]

But you don't. Instead, you gank and grief people who you consider to be easy targets, and who you know would rather not play your little reindeer games. You want us to play *your* game. You talk about how people should have fun and lighten up - but you only care about what *you* consider fun. From all appearances, you all are so bored and creatively bankrupt that you can't have fun, unless it is at the expense of someone else's enjoyment of the game.

and you would like us to play your game. Your point can just be as easily used against you as it could be to prove it.

Now, Infin and OV had a war. They fought each other hard. They still duel for fun. But we also have other fun. I've not PKed anyone in the roots, but I'm still an OV member. I've spent my time with them hunting, assisting, and doing all that ON members do for their guild. All your demonizing of other guilds, you didn't really think it all the way through. Creativity? sure, we have tons. This thread for example takes a great deal of creativity on Lils part.

[lillaryn]

You haven't read what I've written very carefully. I am not a pacifist, I am working dilligently to help forge a powerful guild and alliance, with the full knowledge that power means nothing unless it is wielded.

Yet, I don't consider griefing or ganking to be fun - but apparently, a lot of your guild members do. You could, were you so inclined, play your little PvP games amongst each other, even while hanging out on ventrillo to rub in each kill. Happy happy, joy joy.

But you don't. Instead, you gank and grief people who you consider to be easy targets, and who you know would rather not play your little reindeer games. You want us to play *your* game. You talk about how people should have fun and lighten up - but you only care about what *you* consider fun. From all appearances, you all are so bored and creatively bankrupt that you can't have fun, unless it is at the expense of someone else's enjoyment of the game.

Personally, I find that sad and pathetic.

Actually Keoni, I read it quite carefully. You clearly contradicted yourself. You said that we should be fighting it out for supremacy instead of fighting others. That is cowardly, since you want us to fight each other instead of you. Also, by saying that we should be fighting, you condone war. By saying that you defend your guildies through words or actions but do NOTHING but respond to my posts on the forums proves that you have qualms about violence.....all the while you're content to play the provoker and further the conflict in hiding! You also say that you do not find ganking fun, nor do you enjoy the conflict directed at you, however it's fine if we do it between ourselves. There are many in history that have furthered and stirred up trouble such as yourself, while hiding behind the real people that get hurt. You can't play both sides my dear, and I'm calling you out on it.

Here's the deal once AGAIN on the 'ganking.' I'm sure you have forgotten, as you don't go to PR unless on some kind of event with your friends, you get this wonderful little message that says (and even counts the time down for you! wow!) 'You will be attackable in xx seconds.' At the end, its says, 'You are now attackable, be careful.' As for the repeated Audrey gankings, Audrey and I have spoken on this, and I even tried to meet her halfway on the language barrier, as I speak a little less French than she does English, and I'm fairly sure by the end of the conversation we understood each other. We have planned some other friendly duels in the future. (No Keoni haggling needed)

Also, exactly what is the difference between my alliance to having some fun in a game from you 'having some fun' verbally ganking us on the forums? It's the same thing. Yours can just actually hurt people, as words in a real-life forum are a little harsher than a game we all pay for to get away from our real lives.

Keoni, you ARE a pacifist. (see definition straight from Merriam-Webster online....Main Entry: pac·i·fism
Pronunciation: 'pa-s&-"fi-z&m
Function: noun
Etymology: French pacifisme, from pacifique pacific
1 : opposition to war or violence as a means of settling disputes; specifically : refusal to bear arms on moral or religious grounds
2 : an attitude or policy of nonresistance
- pac·i·fist /-fist/ noun ) If you can give me some real proof that you do not fit this definition of 'opposition to war as a means of settling disputes' please do so, as I would be happy to listen. However, from your comments in this forum alone, you have done nothing but remain 'textbook' to the definition.

Also, I would LOVE a list of how you are 'dilligently forging a powerful guild and alliance.' All I've ever seen you do is complain here and dig in-game.

While you're at it, please list the 'easy targets' we have victimized. The only few I have witnessed are Audrey (250 nuker and 200ish melee, and Morgaine, at the time about 235 nuke and not shabby in melee). These targets are all justified. We warned Morgaine, and we have made our peace and she's a great player. Audrey has verbally provoked me and my alliance mates on several occasions, so all fire directed at her is about as much her fault as any.

I'm all ears.....I hope that you actually TRY this time,

--Lil

[fateress]

To the undertaker: "Get three coffins ready"...
*blam* *blam* *blam* *blam*
"My mistake - four coffins"... --Fistful of Dollars

Google is awesome isn't it?

[kratos84]

I wish you would only understand your own words Lillaryn. Maybe in your twisted world dragging tons of aggro onto us in a non-PvP area means promoting fun, but I am not amused. And I don't imagine anyone would be. Though your childish behaviors you have achieved no more than ruining the fun for everyone you have come across with and pushing this game towards its demise. Not surprising hardly anyone likes your guild and what it is doing then, despite you allegedly being so bright, fun-loving and all in your innocent friendship.

Since you demand action from us, I am going to adopt the proposition here to shun your guild from my game and convince everyone I know to do likewise.

[brithlem]

I was shunned once.... it was FANTASTIC!

[lillaryn]

I wish you would only understand your own words Lillaryn. Maybe in your twisted world dragging tons of aggro onto us in a non-PvP area means promoting fun, but I am not amused. And I don't imagine anyone would be. Though your childish behaviors you have achieved no more than ruining the fun for everyone you have come across with and pushing this game towards its demise. Not surprising hardly anyone likes your guild and what it is doing then, despite you allegedly being so bright, fun-loving and all in your innocent friendship.

Since you demand action from us, I am going to adopt the proposition here to shun your guild from my game and convince everyone I know to do likewise.

When did I ever say 'innocent' fun? Heck we get down and dirty. Last I checked, I never got a 'cease-fire'. I was actually trying to rez someone, and realized that the guards were still popped, hit invuln and headed back for the portal. You all just happened to be there. I got 1mil dp tryin to help a guildie. Sorry that's the downfall of the game. I just didn't see it as that bad of an action, seeing that you all kept unsuccessfully pulling Aen and creating havoc in the general area. I've always liked you Chrono, and I guess now that I was wrong. Now I see it was no big loss. Have fun with your pacifist completely innocent alliance.

--Lil

[norvic]

Why must any thread with a PvP hint in it degenerate in this Fashion.
Although elements of gameplay by PvP types are at total odds to many others they are right about one thing in the fact that some areas of the roots are PvP areas.
What never ceases to amaze me is why they bring the worst elements of thier playstyle to these boards. IMO these boards are where people can express opinions and discuss topics, they are not areas for personal attacks, insults and goading.
Although in my opinion the actions of some guilds are detrimental to the game one of the guild leaders has managed to express his opinions without the need for insults or personal references and I wholeheartedly wish others could do the same.
Although it has been discussed and proved many times already that the majority of the playerbase in this game are against fully open PvP I would,nt want anyone to be denied a voice but just hope the Noisy minority would put a little more thought into their posts if they must drag this topic on.