Changes needed in the CoC

[b00ster1]

This is not completely true. Maybe q210 suit constructed of kitin larva could be almost as good as Aen suit. Using supreme mats and good crafting knowledge, you can get one aspect of suit better than Aen suit. No way getting close iin overall.

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Red,
Durability: over 500
Protection factor: 53.x %
Dodge: 0
Parry : 2
Cant specify excact "Max vs" for q210 from Kitin Larvae.

To reproduce Aen suite stats, in precraft window needed modifier not "0"-"100", but "-50" - "+150/170"
Also, in my opinion, all exclusiveness/uniqueness Aen's suits, consists in Parry modifier and look.
Different story about balanced "Max vs", what is partially possible to reproduce, but there is no need in "some prot." after "lvl x"
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. For the thread: I think the best solution to not have kill steal is to establish killing rights in the same way are the looting rights. If you are not in the same team with the one who started combat, you cannot fight with the mob

To avoid exploits, maybe get xp / loot can only team, which pulled mob , but make this is applicable only for "special" mobs (named/etc).
This dont prevent KS, but prevent KS for loot / xp

[vinnyq]

reaaaly off topic now:

I think was someone in history who said "better kill 1000 innocents than letting a single guilty person to escape". Please, stop using such quotes.

Vut, i disagree with this quote.

[thexdane]

Again, off topic and ranting you are Thex. I've had enough of this. No one is asking you to shut up. Most of us here have offered to help you resolve your issue with the problem you are having with the game even when you post about it in threads where it doesn't belong like in this one and in this one http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... ge=1&pp=10 (and on this one several of us asked to post your system specs so we could help you out or to start a thread in the tech support section), but you refuse to take that help.

I believe even the Nevrax staff has tried to help you. Instead, you continue to maliciously attack Nevrax and anyone who doesn't agree with you. That is not standing up for one's rights, but instead it is just acting very immature and lashing out in anger. The only reason you think you are being shafted is because you are so bitter and angry over an issue that you fail to see the help the community is offering you. You don't won't help anymore. You won't to personally attack Nevrax and any individual that doesn't agree with you.

Yes, as a paying customer, I agree with you that you have a right to speak out, but that does not give you the right to do, say and act how you want on the forums by hijacking other people's threads. Start your own thread......you have the right too you know, but I doubt you will do this because you lurk in the shadows for any opportunity to troll or hijack a thread that someone starts that has anything to do with thanking Nevrax, the CoC or similar subject.

Again, I plead with you, if you are having such trouble with your system, let us try and help you out. Not one of us, or at least most of us, wishes you any ill will or even are happy you can't play the game to your full enjoyment. Most of us have had an experience at some point or another where a game didn't work well with our system. Yes, yes, I understand that it is more than likely a bug in the game, but there should be a way to configure your system to prevent crashes since not everyone has that bug you experience. Developers have to design and code a game to work on a myriad of systems and operating systems. It is amazing that there aren't more conflicts.

ok how about this to help, only thing to happen with my system is i patched the game, game becomes upstable, i get blamed and so does my system

so therefore if nothing on my system has changed and the game has only been patched. how the bloody hell is it my system causing this?

yeah it's not so why is MY system being blamed for me patching the game it becoming unstable?

yeah that's fair to me and really nice and hence why it's a cop out to blame me and i'm taking this stance cause i frankly and not going to be lied to by different ppl about "issues with my system"

if it was my system yeah i'd be totally fine with owning up to it but when it's not and i'm being blamed for something that's not my fault then i'm going to be rather perturbed. as i'm sure any person in their right mind would be

as for me and my responsibilty, well yes i do have some and so does nevrax on their part. if i was responsible i'd own up to it, however they're wrongfully blaming me. heck i'd be happy with them to say "yes this game has some loading issues and known memory leaks and we are working on them"

but unfortunately they aren't. all we get is more content, more eye candy and more placebos.

and if you want to use quotes try this one

"if you eliminate all possiblities, the one left is your answer"

and i can safely eliminate my system from the possibilities, especially since other ppl have this issue

[rrwfreak]

2. Out of thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by rrfreak
"it is better to suffer an injustice than to do an injustice."

I think was someone in history who said "better kill 1000 innocents than letting a single guilty person to escape". Please, stop using such quotes.

Vutescu, what in the heck does the quote you quoted have to do with the quote I quoted. Do you know what the quote I quoted means? It applies to not only Thex but in general to the community. It seems that over Aen and the other major bosses, a certain group of players kill steal and another group of players to get back at them starts kill stealing so a vicious cycle is started. When one says it is better "to suffer an injustice than to do an injustice" means basically the same thing as "two wrongs don't make a right." The actual person that said that can not be pinned down because it is a saying that has been around for such a long time, well when latin was not a dead language at least so if you think I'm quoting a person you are wrong. It is just one of many famous and/or popular latin phrases. Where do you get that it is "better to kill 1000 inncocents than let a single guilty person escape" from my quote because that is so opposite from what I said as sugar is from salt.

That is why I agree with Morgaine on this issue, that certain changes need to be made to the CoC if kill stealing is not considered a violation or harassment because I do consider it harassment. At least it is in other games I've played. I've tried to go after Aen twice with a group. Once with Morgaine and once with Itachi to help heal. They both wanted a suit of Aen armor since they didn't have one. I was going to go a third time, but there has been such a big stink over it, I've decided to just stay away from the issue because I can be short tempered. I don't won't to do something that later I would regret and have to appologize for....which I've done once. I decided until this Aen thing and the CoC is sorted out just to let Aen or any other major boss be.

ok how about this to help, only thing to happen with my system is i patched the game, game becomes upstable, i get blamed and so does my system

so therefore if nothing on my system has changed and the game has only been patched. how the bloody hell is it my system causing this?

If you reread my entire post Thex, I said that it is definitely more than likely a bug in the game since the last patch. However, it is a bug in the game that is apparantly effecting certain systems since not everyone and the majority of the community experiences this bug. I'm not saying you're system is at fault or it is anyone's fault because of the system they have, but the crashes may be fixed if you adjust the system. This happens in games. One buys a game, it works like a charm on one's system, a patch or new version of the game is released, and after one updates to the new version....it becomes buggy and not for everyone.

What causes this? I have no idea since I don't code, but I can hypothesize that it is because that in the patch, ie the new version, that some parts of the game with the new code now aren't fully omptimized with all the different hard ware and operating system set ups across the board. That is why some people also experience the opposite of what you have in that after the patch where before the game was buggy or crashed in certain spots, it no longer does and runs stable on their system post-patch. I've experienced this with Everquest, Darkspace, Morrowind, Descent, Half-Life, Pools of Radience, Medal of Honor series, America's Army, Rome Total War, Pristontale and so on, and I've been on both sides. For me after the most recent patch the game runs far more stable.

You can get upset all you want and flame and troll all you want Thex, but Nevrax isn't just going to code a new patch or new version just for a few people that are experiencing a bug. No gaming company would, but that said company and comunity would try there best to help the person or people having the trouble with the new patch reconfigure there system so as to maybe not experience that bug and or crash. If enough people are experience said bug, then, yes, the company will come out with a patch for it once it is discovered what is causing it.

I also see you still haven't started your on thread on the subject. If I may reiterate, no one is saying its your fault that the game is crashing or is buggy. It is a given fact that in the life of a game that after a patch sometimes a game that was stable on a particular system or hardware configuration before will become unstable. The only solution until the next patch is to try and reconfigure one's system. I don't know why you are being so hard headed about this because it is a fact of life when gaming on a pc. Maybe this is your first time experiencing this. I don't know, but if so, you are lucky to have never had it happen before.

[thexdane]

You can get upset all you want and flame and troll all you want Thex, but Nevrax isn't just going to code a new patch or new version just for a few people that are experiencing a bug. No gaming company would, but that said company and comunity would try there best to help the person or people having the trouble with the new patch reconfigure there system so as to maybe not experience that bug and or crash. If enough people are experience said bug, then, yes, the company will come out with a patch for it once it is discovered what is causing it.

I also see you still haven't started your on thread on the subject. If I may reiterate, no one is saying its your fault that the game is crashing or is buggy. It is a given fact that in the life of a game that after a patch sometimes a game that was stable on a particular system or hardware configuration before will become unstable. The only solution until the next patch is to try and reconfigure one's system. I don't know why you are being so hard headed about this because it is a fact of life when gaming on a pc. Maybe this is your first time experiencing this. I don't know, but if so, you are lucky to have never had it happen before.

i can actually explain a lot of the reasons why, and i have before, it only affects certain systems. there is a flaw in the map, this is a bad thing, however a very fast system can and will compensate for the error, you may or may not get a "please wait..." box or your cpu will get a lot of activity.

now when a system that isn't "top of the line" runs into this issue, it can't keep up so it panics and crashes.


as for them releasing a bug for only a certain system, nevrax would be one of the few companies NOT to do that, check the release notes for most open source software and it will say "fixes for <insert cpu architecture here>" and other such things or "fix for ppl also running <insert software or hardware>"

if they only released fixes for one system the box would read something like this

system specs:

p4 prescott 3 ghz
512 mb corsair ddr pc800
ASUS Extreme N6200TC256/TD video card
asus P5WD2 Premium motherboard
creative audigy 2 mp3+ sound card

if it don't use these components, we can't guarentee that it will run nor can we support you

but as for the topic, yes the CoC needs to be changed. i got no clue why they have the kill stealing/harressment if they won't do anything about it.

but at least my question about this has been answered and that's "no they won't do anything"

so would it be too much to say that it's open season for player harrassment then since the gm's won't do anything about it?

[Zerlin]

The specs for games are based upon empirical data as to what runs the game best. Companies do not pull numbers out of the air. Feedback from testers is taken into account and used to decide what are the best configurations for the game. Then you have the minimum specs where the game will run but you will have to disable most of the good stuff and lower the resolutions. Games are what pushes the technology envelope for PC hardware. People always want bigger an better. Hence games will run best on what is currently the best hardware available. Games have to have some lifetime to them if they want to survive. What is currently the high end in desktop graphics hardware will be obsolete within a year or two. And if you have a laptop you will be lucky if this years model can run last year's games, let alone what is coming up next year. A lot of the video chips in laptops are stripped down versions that contain a lot less RAM and GPU power compared to the same version in a desktop.

I personally have a laptop that almost meets recommended specs (only a 64 MB video card and 768 MB of system RAM) and I am lucky if I can walk around in towns let alone run anywhere. My desktop exceeds specs and is currently a generation out of date (1 year) and it plays the game well. But towns give it a hard time due to all of the textures and objects being loaded. Someone with this year's model (3.4 GHz 1-2 GB RAM and 256 MB PCI-X video) should have no problems at all.

It is just the nature of the gaming industry that the best looking games will require the latest gaming system to run adequately or well. Anything a generation or more out of date technology wise will have a harder time. The average 'power' gamer spends about $2500 per year keeping up with the trends. Players demand better and companies try to deliver. Nevrax is no different. This is the best looking game on the market, but it demands the best hardware to deliver the 'eye candy'.

The game is rendering hundreds of mobs and objects in real time, so you need horsepower to keep up. So please do not say the game is buggy when you approach towns. If your system specs do not at least meet the recommended specs (not the minimum) then you will have to turn down most of the extra graphics effects and lower your LoD for landscape and characters to be able to move, let alone run without lagging.

[alibasil]

i totally agree

*looks for that spare £2500*

[mmatto]

Maybe not buggy but not that well designed or optimized engine architecture in certain respects, I would dare to say.

Maybe there is some difference between average power gamer crowd with latest hardware and those people that find Ryzom universe and idea appealing.

Gaming software really should do more so that game would run without problems for average Ryzom target audience.

I find Ryzom great game but if a free trialer finds that game does not work well with his machine, he won't pay much attention to fixing problem. He quits. I don't know if this is popular reason to quit free trial / subscription but I know many who had done so for that reason.

Some examples that might be done to remedy this issue (just examples, devs will know better than me

- Automatic configuration of graphic settings based on hardware.
- Maybe some kind of stress test in configuration util to check if given settings are usable under heaviest load
- Maybe reducing some of the graphic complexity on the fly if high system load is detected.
- Maybe doing more aggressive reconnecting to server.
- Maybe separating graphic engine and network engine so that lagging graphics would not cause networking problems.
-Maybe some thought should be put into design of ryzom data files as I suspect that there is far more disk I/O than would be required if that part would be more optimized.