Roots Conflict

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Re: Roots Conflict

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thexdane wrote:sad thing is he's trying to play innocent in this, well i got proof he's not innocent.

as the saying goes "let ye who is without sin cast the first stone"

since electro and his cohorts in this are far from being without sin

and for the record i do miss the rp days with cp. unfortunately infinity thinks that harrassment and rule breaking constitutes rp'n

I have to strongly disagree here. Certain CP members did hide harressment behind roleplaying as well. Which is probably what caused their disintegration and eventual break up on NA server (find old threads if you people want to know why I dont want to rehash all). Actually the problems I've had with Infinity were ex CPers breaking rules harressing me but just now wearing an Infinity tag.
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Re: Roots Conflict

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roninpvp wrote:I have to strongly disagree here. Certain CP members did hide harressment behind roleplaying as well. Which is probably what caused their disintegration and eventual break up on NA server (find old threads if you people want to know why I dont want to rehash all). Actually the problems I've had with Infinity were ex CPers breaking rules harressing me but just now wearing an Infinity tag.

yeah one or two of cp did do that, i agree. however it wasn't them as a whole like it is with infinity

tho if anyone would like some more proof i've got some more proof that electro is not as innocent as he wishes to portray himself, but i'll just sit on it for a bit
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PoA and Infinity are not role playing. They are harassing players. I am all for role playing and PvP in the PvP zones.
Just because you can find a definition doesn't mean you understand it. A Kami guild aligning with a Karavan guild does fit into the role playing aspect of the game.

ahlmea wrote: I will keep it strictly to role-playing as I have friends in Melinoe, and harbor no personal grudge to any Melinoe member.
I can't understand where or when you've gotten the impression that we're and that "this type of behavior" is "common place" for PoA members. I have never participated in such actions, nor have I plans or a wish to do so.

I know my guildmates to be friendly and helpful, not savage brutes. I have no idea what led to this so-called war, but as with most things, it was most likely a trifle.
I also have friends in Infinity and PoA and they are guilty by association as are you. Your guild condones harassment and you choose to be a part of that guild. The impression of "common place" is when more then one member of your guild on more then one occasion harasses other players and everyone in your guild seems to be fine with it.

alibasil wrote:Difference of opinion. Im sure both guilds are doing they percieve to be "the right thing". However there must have been one moment where this clashed between 2 groups and its escalated from there.
Difference of opinion...yeah you could say that. They think harassment is acceptable and role playing. There as been animosity building over many small incidents. One of the more recent incidents in which Infinity and Electrometrix of PoA dragged aggro on to our team and kill stole Aen is what has started the current round of harassment.

alibasil wrote:Yes they are allied guilds. Brithlem was doing Electrometrix a favor by being the messenger here. Can you point me to the part that say Infiinity are at war with Melinoe too or will have anything to do with this conflict? Not all alliances are formed as a military alliance

(if Infinity are already at war with Melinoe then you can forget that last bit)
When you declare war you bring your allies into the mix. We already had issues with Infinity before any of the recent activity which also plays into why they are a part of this.

rdfall wrote:I agree with Nerriah, no need to generalise my guild are all kill stealers and such, maybe some guildies reacted a bit too much, but from what i heard our guild leader was down, asked for a rezz with a melinoe member near, he said he'd be right there, walked next to him, then said "oh, it's you, hahaha" then walked off without rezzing.

I find such behaviour provoking, this is, as i think, part of the reason for the declaration of war. Personally i know no Melinoe members, but since there is no DP involved in PVP, if i can, for roleplay's sake, i will kill Melinoe members as a support to my guild leader and husband.
Choosing not to rez Infinity and PoA members is not what started this. This is our reaction to the harassment. They choose not to rez us and instead try to get us killed so they could kill Aen.

larwood wrote:Aww guys, cummon, lets not freak out over this. It's a roleplay. They are just trying to make things interesting, and if one guild wants to declare war on another because they logged at the same time, thats fine with me! Let them have at it, and we dont need to stick our big fat noses in it. I agree it may have been better to announce it on a Rolplay forum.... but whats done is done.... and lets get over it. I think its cool that there are these conflicts.... nobody loses xp or anything... it just make the game a bit more interesting. I mean really, are we leveling and killing mobs, just to kill more mobs? :) Lets have fun with it. Those are my two dappers.
Again this is not about role play. I am all for role play. When you get aggro dragged on to you and die you lose xp becasue you have DP. That is harassment.

I am done with this thread and I am asking all Melinoe members to refrain from posting. Any continued harassment will be submitted to the GM along with the recent harassment we have documented and withheld. If it continues eventually the GM's will take action. If the harassment actually stops this could be fun.
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larwood wrote:Aww guys, cummon, lets not freak out over this. It's a roleplay. They are just trying to make things interesting, and if one guild wants to declare war on another because they logged at the same time, thats fine with me! Let them have at it, and we dont need to stick our big fat noses in it. I agree it may have been better to announce it on a Rolplay forum.... but whats done is done.... and lets get over it. I think its cool that there are these conflicts.... nobody loses xp or anything... it just make the game a bit more interesting. I mean really, are we leveling and killing mobs, just to kill more mobs? :) Lets have fun with it.

Those are my two dappers.
Any thread started on the public forums is fair game for others to comment in, provided they stay on topic and do not flame or become abusive.

Also, this is the kind of post and topic that is likely to incite strong reactions from the community. Conflict always draws attention. I'd think that as part of the Arispotle community, all of the principals in this conflict would by now understand that all community members can and will react to this conflict, have opinions regarding it, act on those opinions, and share them.

Now if this were a duel or a private agreement to fight a war, it would not have been posted where the entire Arispotle community could see and respond to it. By posting the announcement here, a public declaration of war has been made. And to that, we are most certainly entitled to respond and react publically.
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savvy wrote:Just because you can find a definition doesn't mean you understand it. A Kami guild aligning with a Karavan guild does fit into the role playing aspect of the game.
It could be easily argued that this is roleplay. Have you not heard how that people are calling for kami and karavan to settle their differences for now and cooperate in killing the kitin presence?

savvy wrote:When you declare war you bring your allies into the mix.
I completely disagree here. It is up to the Allied guild to decide whether they help out a friendly guild in a conflict. It also depends on the kind of alliance that has been bonded between the two guilds, if its a trade alliance then why would the allied guild help? Further backing this point, im sure brithlem hasnt discussed with you the nature of that alliance. Also not forgetting he has had the opportunity to say something along the lines of "...and yes Infinity will help PoA" but he hasnt. So maybe brithlem hasnt agreed on a war with Melinoe?
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larwood wrote:Aww guys, cummon, lets not freak out over this. It's a roleplay. They are just trying to make things interesting, and if one guild wants to declare war on another because they logged at the same time, thats fine with me!
Preface: The following is IMHO. Disagree? Feel free. Just be aware this is presented as an opinion, not a call for a set of rules or action by GM's or anything like that.

Seems to me that if 2 or more guilds want to roleplay war, they would have discussed it ahead of time out-of-character and decided upon this course of action bilaterally.

If that's what happened here, then I'm all for it. Working together and out-of-character, create a back story that explains the reasons for this conflict. Announce the conflict to the world and let's allow other guilds to either take sides, remain neutral or even roleplay diplomacy. The 2 guilds should have pre-discussed what triggers the end of hostility based on the back story (not necessarily pre-deciding the winner) and then roleplay it.

(the endgame trigger doesn't need to be revealed to the rest of us, but agreed upon between those that initiated this thing)

But, I'm seeing a lot of claims of harassment. If guild A declares war on guild B without ooc consent, it's not roleplay. I'm not saying the harassment claim is valid or not, but it's not compatible with the idea that this is role-playing.

Again, I'm all for a good guild-war, but let's make it something fun for both sides and not just a way l33t dudes get to show their mad skilz. Or, however the kids talk these days. :)
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thexdane wrote: http://www.4eyedfistfight.com/ryzom/temp/aen2.jpg
http://www.4eyedfistfight.com/ryzom/temp/aen3.jpg

so i'm guessing that protectory of atys keeps him in the guild, they think that kill stealing and harrassment is ok
Electrometrix is the leader of that guild.
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oldmess wrote:Seems to me that if 2 or more guilds want to roleplay war, they would have discussed it ahead of time out-of-character and decided upon this course of action bilaterally.The 2 guilds should have pre-discussed what triggers the end of hostility based on the back story (not necessarily pre-deciding the winner) and then roleplay it.


Maybe I dont know all about roleplay... but IMHO if all the events are palnned out and the end is pre-determined... then its a pretty lame event. I mean sure, some of them may be ok to know the end, like a journey, trek... etc. etc... but a war!?? are you kidding? If I know who will win before I start, or.. if I really can't change the outcome of the event because it's pre-determined... then why will I get involved. Spontinaity and surprise are good. This game has such potential because the players can change the game, and the outcomes.... sure there is an underlying lore, but when it talks about governments and outposts and such.... the end is unknown and up to us.

So.... if a guild wants to start a war with another guild, by all means go ahead. Now, if the other guild does not want to participate, that should be respected, and they forefit. (that sounds a bit harsh... for lack of a better term) Yes harrassment should not be allowed, and we should be respectful... after all this is a game. We should be respectful to each other as humans, but as homins... we can hold grudges and bitterness, as well as kindnesses and alliances and trust... as is done in the real world... such is in RolePlaying.

Thats how i feel anyway.
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larwood wrote:but IMHO if all the events are palnned out and the end is pre-determined... then its a pretty lame event.
Re-read my post. I didn't say the ending is pre-determined. I said the condition for knowing who wins/loses is determined. In Ryzom there is very little real penalty for PvP. You kill me. I respawn. I get some friends and kill you. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Boring.

Since there is no penalty or scoring keeping or anything to mark the end of the conflict, it turns into nothing but back and forth ganking. Unless the 2 sides determine some sort of condition or method of score keeping.
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thexdane wrote:yeah one or two of cp did do that, i agree. however it wasn't them as a whole like it is with infinity

tho if anyone would like some more proof i've got some more proof that electro is not as innocent as he wishes to portray himself, but i'll just sit on it for a bit
If you have any proof that *I* kill steal, refuse to ress people, or any of that other blatherskyte, I would dearly love to see it. Untill then, the 'it wasn't them as a whole like it is with Infinity' should probably be put back on the shelf, in your imagination, or what other orifice or place you grabbed it from.


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