Don't feed the resellers

[larwood]

No one said he was doing it for "no profit".

I'm fired?

Ok morgy, we all agree on that point. He does have interest in dapper.

[geezas]

At least a couple resellers active right now - Munkie and Mudd selling high jewelry marked up from player prices.

Technically, this doesn't hurt me at all, I get my dapper from the sale. It does hurt the players that have limited funds. I want my jewels to be available at my prices or lower, not my prices or higher.

So I want to encourage players to buy from merchandise from the crafters which will help your fellow players. If the resellers aren't making sales, then lower priced merchandise will stay in stock. If you buy from the resellers, they will keep buying out the lower price merchandise and marking it up. Pass the word along in guild / region if you want also.

So, now you all can debate free market etc. My opinion is they add no value and aren't entitled to basicallys steal dapper from players.

Feel free to e-mail me and post here if you find other resellers or if you find out who the PCs are behind these guys, since they may be alts.

Haddo - Pegasus Foundation - Master Desert and Jungle.

Just read the first post, but maybe suggest a resellers flag to make it so that if you buy something of a merchant you can't sell it again to the merchant ? like you can't resell items that are not at full hp.

[larwood]

but maybe suggest a resellers flag to make it so that if you buy something of a merchant you can't sell it again to the merchant

Good idea.

[geezas]

Good idea.

make a ticket I'm not ingame atm

[rushin]

slightly off topic, but any chance of some sap and stam jewels from u uber jewelers

[quasar11]

Just read the first post, but maybe suggest a resellers flag to make it so that if you buy something of a merchant you can't sell it again to the merchant ? like you can't resell items that are not at full hp.

A flag could cause considerable inconvience. I repurchase my goods constantly when I have more of the same to sell. This helps me from going over the 125 item limit. With a flag i'd have to buy from the vendor then go to another town to sell them back...thus burning a trip ticket at the least...assuming I could carry all the goods in one trip. This might work if the flag was voluntary, then the original seller would have control.

[geezas]

A flag could cause considerable inconvience. I repurchase my goods constantly when I have more of the same to sell. This helps me from going over the 125 item limit. With a flag i'd have to buy from the vendor then go to another town to sell them back...thus burning a trip ticket at the least...assuming I could carry all the goods in one trip. This might work if the flag was voluntary, then the original seller would have control.

Why would you want to buy your goods back ?

[iwojimmy]

Wether or not Haddo is driven by greed, he would have costs to cover, and an expectation of some kind of compensation for the effort he has put in to get where he has. I have no qualms at all buying Haddos wares at Haddos prices ( Id like to see some different resistances tho ;D )

However, all that Mudd and Munky ? have done, is raised their original purchase price, then leeched off Haddos crafting. they DONT provide a service to the game community, they are out-and-out parasites. The contribution they are making to Ryzom is totally negative.

Just because it is possible to do a thing, doesnt mean it should be done.

.. btw .. the timezone I'm from is diametrically opposite America, I expect never to be online at the same time as Haddo, or most players for that matter, so I rely on the merchants for my equipment.

[hans1976]

Why would you want to buy your goods back ?

To be able to provide a wider variaty of goods while 127 slots is a max. Or because 3 x 6 fangs is 3 slots while buying them back converts them into a single slot stack of 18.

[rrwfreak]

Auggggggggghhhhhhhh, I accidently hit the back button whilest my fingers where flying across the keyboard and had to retype my post. Hehe, oh well.

I can't believe that their are people calling Haddo greedy. LMAO!!!! You've got to be kidding me. Now, I don't know Haddo well, and I'm not even in his guild or circle of friends in game. I do know him well enough and have watched him in game long enough to know that Haddo is one nice and patiently kewl guy who has worked long and hard to get where he's at in the game providing very nice wares and cut rate prices. One thing Haddo is not is greedy.

Haddo charges a reasonable price for his jewelry to recoup the cost for harvesting, crafting and mats in addition to making some profit. He is asking nicely for people to not buy and resell his jewels at ridicously marked up prices. I liken it to this RL situation. One walks into a store and buys a bag of Snickers bite size candies. On the bag, if you read it, there is a disclaimer that says "this product is not for resell....." The company and manufacturer of that said candy is asking and telling you that the candy is not for resale and if you do resell it, you could be subject to legal action and penalties. Haddo is basically making the same disclaimer on his jewelry and wares.

Haddo has been very patient about this whole thing as he has dealt with it since Windermeer. Furthermore the people that do it, usually wait till he is offline or as on Windermeer goes on a vacation so they know how Haddo feels about this. However, they do it anyway. Is the market in Ryzom a free market, yes, and I do not argue that. That being said, we the players have the right to make certain spoken rules about how business can be conducted in Ryzom's free market, what should be common courteousy, and to enforce those said rules and courteousies. Even in RL free markets there are some rules and common courteousies that people follow.

I said it once yesterday and I'll say it yet again....quoting myself from yesterday:

It is my opinion and view that if you want to get into reselling a crafter's wares that you approach and discuss this with the crafter, working out some sort of spoken agreement. If the crafter says, no, that he or she isn't interested, then walk away and search out someone else.

It is common courteousy to do this. Personally I'm to busy digging and rezzing people or going on explorations and treks, but if it is your thing to be a second party merchant, have the courteousy to ask the crafter's permission and abide by their wishes.

How hard can it be to do that? Really, come on. Maybe what needs to be done is a thread, a sticky, on some spoken in game rules and courteousies as far as the market goes as well as what will happen if someone persists on ignoring those rules and courtiousies. Although, this thread seems pretty straight forward and to the point.

edit: btw, I group the people that go out and still buy and resell Haddo's jewelry at higher prices, and people that go out and do this with other crafter's wares as well, at ridicously marked up prices (especially after being asked not to by said crafter) to people that are like "carpet baggers" and prey on victims of disasters when they are in need. A harsh comparison? Yes, maybe, but there are people out there that don't have a ton of dappers. Noobies, people that have lost their toons and guilds and had to start over, and generally some other people that just don't accumilate large bank rolls of dappers. I'm not saying we should be like a commune and share everything as I understand that there are players out there that play as merchants, but there is a fine line between making profit and being a Ferengi.