Where in PR should you start at

[mboeing]

simple u have 2 or more extraction actions, a starter one that goes to the minimum q u need to use to extract a particular pr zone with a reduced rate, and a full power one to blast away with on ur last 1200 focus or so.
and as Neun has said with a carer u can use all agressive actions, along with a mat spec on the prospect means u are using a lot less focus per tick

I use the 2 extraction stanca method and as Neun said it only works till Q220 with added time. A method with more then 2 gets too stessful and leads to not being able to chat.

And the additional mats is a oversight, because

1.) its you that get more mats, but your carer gets none. -> in total its less mats. (who says the mats of your partner are worthless??)
2.) many spots run out with less then 17 mats (which i get solo) so the time is wasted with a carer none the less

XP and mats and time is always a tradeoff for me. So the optimum is getting the most XP and mats in the least time. Hence I can't understand anyone digging for quest mats, except he cheats and uses external macros for lvling, but thats another issue.

The supreme one is a valid one (excelllent in GoO can be gotten at lvl 50, so thats not really a point). But there are so few supreme around that it hardly matter in a normal situation.

[alibasil]

Careplanning is such a waste of time. Why do something majorly boring when you can get almost 2x the XP and mats for yourself with a normal dig. If you really want to help him, just harvest the spots he prospects and that should give 1500 XP for free to him

Rubbish!

I found when i was harvesting from level 0-100 that careplanning was the only way forward! There is no way when your highest harvest level is 50 that you can ever get higher than 1511xp. And i would be happy for someone to prove me wrong cos i tried and tried but the only way i can get decent xp up till level 100 is through careplanning. Its at around the level 100 mark that solo xp overtakes careplan xp.

Btw, thanx to Rushin (PR) and Lienchang (Jungle) who have helped me out here!

Oh and also, say if you stumble across some supreme q250 oath bark in a highly aggro zone and you know that it gets heavily weathered! You would be damn glad that you have a careplanner with you so that you could rip as much of it from the ground as you can before it gets weathered or before you notice that vorax has killed its yelk and is looking at you like desert lol!

[blaah]

With a carer, you don't need to use valuable focus caring, you can put all your effort in to digging. (you can also use a much more aggressive digging plan)

i assume you pulling 20+ mats from source with carer. how do you select that right source with enough mats in it ? or do you just prospect 1 source

i dig solo some 18 to 20 mats (up to q160, being 200+ in one forage tree), but i always seem to pick source with 10 mats and i want to dig 3 spots, so not enough time to check it really. i wish there would be stanzas for this.

Lvl 250 mission mats are in limitless supply, they are useless so you can just drop them (no full bag problem), they are usually not in aggro zones and as there are classed as 'Superb', supreme equivelent, you get max XP every time! But to me this is like chain killing mobs, the fast route to boredom and a new game.

superb (q200 area), excellent
magnificient (q250 area), supreme

[mboeing]

Rubbish!

Ahhh thats why I see so many people running around with careplanners.

But I think we are way of the original topic aren't we? Everyone might do as he likes if careplanning is your thing feel free to do so.

[borg9]

1.) its you that get more mats, but your carer gets none. -> in total its less mats. (who says the mats of your partner are worthless??)
2.) many spots run out with less then 17 mats (which i get solo) so the time is wasted with a carer none the less

90% of my Digging experience (not XP, knowledge) is based from the Lake land.

Using a carer I can pull upto 28 mats (I actual am setup to pull 25, no +time AS5+AR5+QL210/220). So yep its all about finding what suits you.

1. Solo 17 mats 2.5k xp
2. +Carer time efficent 22 mats 1.5k xp
3. +Carer max mats 28 mats 1.5k xp

I am guessing here that we are all 3 spoting...

Average:

1. 51 mats, 7.5k xp, 0 xp
2. 69 mats, 4.5k xp, 4.5k xp (+18 mats -3k xp +4.5k for carer)
3. 72 mats, 4.5k xp, 4.5k xp (no significat increasing mats due to most spots not containing 20 mats)


Peek:

1. 51 mats 7.5k xp, 0 xp
2. 75 mats 4.5k xp, 4.5k xp (+24 mats -3k xp +4.5k for carer)
3. 84 mats 4.5k xp, 4.5k xp (this is just never going to happen)

So from my point of view my 'team' gains + 1.5k xp and +18 mats on a solo digger. (If the carer was to dig this would result in a net loss of 6.5k xp and 24 mats ..... but this is assuming that the other digger is able to 3 spot and pull 17 mats.)


A lot of the time I pull air, but I have found that with a carer I can relax completely.

Sky and I have had this debate many times before in the past and its very much down to personal taste.

I dig 3xspots with an average pull of 23 mats per dig. so 66 mats on average.

I have a 'full time carer', Nine, who has gained all her 130+ level from caring for me. When Seren is not to busy helping rez people and working with her guild she cares for me

I have found that now I have become a very lazy and digging without a carer its just to much like hard work.

XP wise I aim for the 1511xp (1566xp on excellent) for each person. I have always dug for Mats, not XP so this is great for me.

I share with the carer, so effectively I can dig for twice as long XP wise for the equivelent solo Mats.

Its very very rare I get gas or explosions. So my equipment lasts for ever!


Conclusion - its all down to taste and what you want to dig for.

At lvl 250 when XP is no longer important, having a carer must be the way to go!

Edit - also I am pull mats +ql30 over my highest crafting skill so to speed up the Harvest tree for now increased benefit and the downside of DP .... doesn't seen sensible to me.

[borg9]

i assume you pulling 20+ mats from source with carer. how do you select that right source with enough mats in it ? or do you just prospect 1 source

i dig solo some 18 to 20 mats (up to q160, being 200+ in one forage tree), but i always seem to pick source with 10 mats and i want to dig 3 spots, so not enough time to check it really. i wish there would be stanzas for this.

I have become very lazy and am content to dig air.

But to answer you question - hover you mouse of the source content bar - it will tell you before you dig.

superb (q200 area), excellent
magnificient (q250 area), supreme

Just proves I know the theory, not the pratice *wink*

[mboeing]

Sky and I have had this debate many times before in the past and its very much down to personal taste.

...

I have a 'full time carer', Nine, who has gained all her 130+ level from caring for me. When Seren is not to busy helping rez people and working with her guild she cares for me

I have found that now I have become a very lazy and digging without a carer its just to much like hard work.

...

Conclusion - its all down to taste and what you want to dig for.

I use my wifes char Amrita quite often. I leveled her from lvl 150 lake to lvl 200 lake by harvesting with her and at the same time digging her spots with Sky.

Using 2 chars to harvest IS stressful, but I get bored easily and I am not always up to chat anyhow.

I pull now with those 2 chars 17 and 16 mats per dig = 33. I have no skill that requires higher mats than Q210 so I can use all those mats.

I don't mind about degrades on my equipment as I make a new one faster then it degrades anyhow. I also hunt in focus gear sometimes since I am too lazy to change to HP gear just to get rid of a bit DP.

And that Seren cares for you even without being present we all know, don't we? =)

[borg9]

And that Seren cares for you even without being present we all know, don't we? =)

She is:

My Preist when hunting
My Carer when digging
My company when crafting
My companion when lonely

She is my life, she is my Star, she's My Seren !

So yep!

[mmatto]

ayee i think me and Rushin have loads more hours PR digging then you.

Hours maybe... but how about xp? j/k could not resist myself

[rushin]

now, now let's not fight on this thread

The best place to start PR digging is Gate of Obscurity, think we all agree on that

take a careplanner if u feel like it

peace out