Atittude Problem - (Ban me if you must)

[hans1976]

the current generation cant help it

Nope, we were all born ignorant and innocent. The environment we grew up in spoiled us all

[philu]

/unban

And what up with all the anti american junk going on. Man if it wont for us you all would be speakin japanise or german right now so I think everyone still owes us a big thx.

Yeah right get real. And Russia didn't capture the other half of Europe right?

'all the anti american junk', I see one comment (which WAS uncalled for).

Next you'll be telling us it was americans that captured the enigma machine.....oh yeah Hollywood already rewrote that bit of history didn't they....

[mboeing]

My problem (& my post) is that I and many other have posted "IDEAS" to make this game a sucess!!!

But it seems the people who play the most, who love the game the most (I believe the term "Fanboi" can be used??) are the very ones who shoot these ideas down.

Your only problem is your supperior navité. Good ideas are supported, bad ideas are shot down. Many of us work in the IT business and have a general ssense of what is possible and what is not.

Think of this everyone - if ANY-ONE of us could actually implement the ideas we suggest, we would be employed by Nevrax... so GROW UP and stop wasting everyones time trying to make out you know better.... cause look whats its got you?

You should grow up. I am sure there are quite a few good coders among the players. Just because they don't work for Nevrax doesn't mean they couldn't.

Thanks to your childish "..haha nice idea.. but AS-IF that can happen... do you know what is involved in making that happen..." response to PAYING CUSTOMERS who are making SUGGESTIONS for IMPROVEMENTS, this game is now struggling.....

Suggestions are there many. Everyone has his own ideas as what he wants improved. Hence people disagree as what should be done and in what order. Nevrax is only a small company with limited resources. They have to decide for themselfes which suggestions they pick up and which they won't.

Lack of Content, Lack of Features (some promised pre-release) and lack of Customers......

WHY???

Because of FORUM WNKERS!!!! (FANBOIS)

LOL. No as said above Nevrax has limited resources and ran into several technical difficulties. In such complex structures as an MMO that normal. Technical difficulties have to be resolved, before new features are implemented. At several points I couldn't agree with Nevrax decisions on priorities or even the neccessity to do things as they did (e.g. patch 1 was completely useless) But I am sure they had their reasons.

The people on the forum influence the developers only in a very limited way.

I have just seen TWO "i'm leaving posts" in the last 24 hours... and we all know that for every one of those, another dozen leave siliently...

2? So what. If everyone who left had posted here you wouldn't find any useful posts anymore. And thats not only recently but over the last 6 month.

I made a suggestion yesterday.... trying to help out the Company and the Customers of what I think would turn this "Game" around into a raging-success....

My only response, was to tell me just how impossible one of the ideas was....

GREAT FCKIN SUPPORT MATE! - DAZMAN Are you going to cry when this game goes under? - cause if you honestly thought I expected/believed that "Streaming Data updates" could be implemented with a click of your fingers or even at all, into SoR - then you are either a complete MORON or you are just an A-HOLE trying to demonstrate your belief that you possess superior knowledge.

Eitherway, that post of mine last night is a clear demonstration that the very people who will be effected the most if it SoR goes under, would rather spend their time and effort pulling apart everyone elses ideas to make this a great game and community and focusing on everything WRONG with the idea....

Your suggestion would have required a.) stealing of other peoples intellectual property, which in most countries you can get sued for. b.) a complete new technologie c.) is based on a BETA product with no long term experience about its usefulness. d.) the update process at the moment is not a problem really. The problem is that there are no updates.

SO WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE?

Will we pull together and work with Nevrax and make this a SUCESS??
or
Will we continue to fight with each other on the forums; wasting Nevrax times (while they sort the real suggestions, from the flamewars); and watch this dream sink before our very eyes?

The amount of SHT that goes on in this Forum, no wonder new arrivals are slow and few between....

LOL you mean everyone should agree to you? Dream on. You just position yourself as you claim others do. That YOU know best what there is to do. Customers only have a very limited influence on the actual product. Or seamingly so, because if you put all customers wishes into a bucket, mix it well and then take the result, nobody will be able to identify his own wishes in there anymore.

Your post really helped to feel the new arrivals welcome. Great work. Next time you want to let steam of your frustration about the game, how about just banging your head on the table or going outside abnd take a walk.

[rrwfreak]

Let me see if I can get this thread back on topic which has nothing to do with world politics and nationalities for freaking sake. Wak313 was j/k for all of you who think he was being anti-american.

I made a suggestion yesterday.... trying to help out the Company and the Customers of what I think would turn this "Game" around into a raging-success....

My only response, was to tell me just how impossible one of the ideas was....

GREAT FCKIN SUPPORT MATE! - DAZMAN Are you going to cry when this game goes under? - cause if you honestly thought I expected/believed that "Streaming Data updates" could be implemented with a click of your fingers or even at all, into SoR - then you are either a complete MORON or you are just an A-HOLE trying to demonstrate your belief that you possess superior knowledge.

Eitherway, that post of mine last night is a clear demonstration that the very people who will be effected the most if it SoR goes under, would rather spend their time and effort pulling apart everyone elses ideas to make this a great game and community and focusing on everything WRONG with the idea....

SO WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE?

Will we pull together and work with Nevrax and make this a SUCESS??
or
Will we continue to fight with each other on the forums; wasting Nevrax times (while they sort the real suggestions, from the flamewars); and watch this dream sink before our very eyes?

We hold more power then they do, customers ALWAYS hold the power....
no customer, no income, no company.....

The amount of SHT that goes on in this Forum, no wonder new arrivals are slow and few between.... and the seaminly barren world of Atys is so, because how anyone could honestly know what the community wants is beyond me; as it seems that people cry and cry for something, then when its implemented, cry and cry its not right and they dont want it anymore....

wasting time, wasting money....

Thank you all (this applies to forum posters no readers only)

This is the post that I assume you are getting so upset over.

from thread http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13494
Well, that is a nice positive post, and indeed a streaming update process would be quite innovative (I think ). However there are pros and cons to all methods, and I'm sure GW will have fun keeping it running smoothly.
However, if you truly believe this is the kind of thing that can be changed in an MMO engine, especially one that is several years into it's development cycle, I'd advise playing two games to sample it It's comparable to taking away the roads, bridges, and anything made of asphalt/tarmac, and expecting all vehicles to work properly afterwards...

No offense wak, but take a deep breath and chill out. Reading dazman's response to your post, he had a different opinion than you, but he was pretty respectful to you even saying that he thought your post was nice and a positive idea. Your response here is to basically call him this name and that name. He disaggreed with you and thought it was not an idea that could be implemented in SoR, so freaking what. You could have easily responded to him via a pm. You just contributed to the dung pile as you so nicely put it by the comments you made to dazman's post.

Maybe I should have responded to you via pm as well. It is one thing to post an idea and all "mate", but its one thing to go all postal when someone disagrees with you.....dazman being the only one to respond to the post you made in that thread.

Lack of Content, Lack of Features (some promised pre-release) and lack of Customers......

WHY???

Because of FORUM WNKERS!!!! (FANBOIS)

Lack of content and features as well as lack of customers has nothing to do with the forum "wnkers" as you so put it. Lack of customers has to do with lack of advertising on Nevrax's part this being their first mmorpg as well as Ryzom not being fully ready at release in September 2004.

How far off is the spring clean and outposts? Dunno, but it is a concern of mine the longer these take the slower the influx of new players and the difficulty of keeping a percentage of the players that are on the fence so to speak on whether to stay or leave the game.

I personally enjoy the player created content and events, but I do feel that this needs to be suplemented with featured content...more so than the outposts. When was the last massive kitin invasion? Your suggestion for dynamic world in SoR like that in some other games would be definitely nice to see in my opinion and just add further depth to the game as well making it available to a broader market of players whilest not ruining the atmosphere and other aspects of SoR.

from thread http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13494
The biggest and best feature I can see from it, and would love to see in SoR, is the truely Dynamic "quests" including both that the quests are built specifically for your character and situation when you are ready to attempt them, and the way in which the game assists in you completing them.

Also, the other big feature is the Dynamic and intereactive WORLD, where players CAN and DO change the world.
It was mentioned that there are NO patches, rather CONSTANT STREAMING OF DATA to accomadate this dynamic envryonment.

I think that is a great idea wak. Don't know how streaming update process could be implemented in Ryzom. My one concern and question would be what amount of lag would this cause to the game while its taking place if any lag at all? Still it would be something nice to see in SoR that would add to the game and not take away anything.

[hans1976]

Next you'll be telling us it was americans that captured the enigma machine.....oh yeah Hollywood already rewrote that bit of history didn't they....

And didnt you know that the US thought of the Atombomb first? Build the first submarine, defined the laws of physics, the laws of mathematic and democracy?

Either way, we live on the same globe and might as well get along....

Monty Python sings:

The world today seems absolutely crackers,
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high.
There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger.
It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why...

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
There's nine hundred million of them in the world today.
You'd better learn to like them; that's what I say.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They come from a long way overseas,
But they're cute and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese food.
The waiters never are rude.
Think of the many things they've done to impress.
There's Maoism, Taoism, I Ching, and Chess.

So I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.

So, I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're wise and they're witty, and they're ready to please.

All together.

[verse in Chinese]
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Ni hao ma; ni hao ma; ni hao ma; zaijien! (How are you; how are you; how are you; goodbye!)

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
Their food is guaranteed to please,
A fourteen, a seven, a nine, and lychees.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees...

[rrwfreak]

And didnt you know that the US thought of the Atombomb first? Build the first submarine, defined the laws of physics, the laws of mathematic and democracy?

Either way, we live on the same globe and might as well get along....

Monty Python sings:

The world today seems absolutely crackers,
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high.
There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger.
It's depressing and it's senseless, and that's why...

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're always friendly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
There's nine hundred million of them in the world today.
You'd better learn to like them; that's what I say.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They come from a long way overseas,
But they're cute and they're cuddly, and they're ready to please.

I like Chinese food.
The waiters never are rude.
Think of the many things they've done to impress.
There's Maoism, Taoism, I Ching, and Chess.

So I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese thought,
The wisdom that Confucious taught.
If Darwin is anything to shout about,
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubt.

So, I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees,
Yet they're wise and they're witty, and they're ready to please.

All together.

[verse in Chinese]
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Wo ai zhongguo ren. (I like Chinese.)
Ni hao ma; ni hao ma; ni hao ma; zaijien! (How are you; how are you; how are you; goodbye!)

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
Their food is guaranteed to please,
A fourteen, a seven, a nine, and lychees.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
I like their tiny little trees,
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their yin, and yang-ese.

I like Chinese.
I like Chinese.
They only come up to your knees...

This has nothing to do with this thread what so ever. Come on people. Stop bringing this political/nationality mumbo jumbo garbage into it.

That can be discussed in the off-topic section or in some other forum. Although hans does make a good point...."Why can't we all just get along."

[hans1976]

This has nothing to do with this thread what so ever.

I figured this whole thread could not get faster downhill as it was (and is) going already, a sing-a-song was in place.

When I read the first post my main thought was that no single reply would add anything to the random trolling done in the first. Everyone is kicked in the nuggets, you know...

- The players for being raving and ranting idiots
- Nevrax for messing up Nevrax
- The devs for making an addictive product that stinks
- The community managers for being nice

When grown-ups are having an argument, the kids tend to shout through that with things totally unrelated like: "She stole my doll, weeeeeeeeee" "Daddy, she hit me, weeeeeeeee".
Me and some others are doing the same as these kids.

[lazarus]

BTW, quite apart all that, "checking out" their competitors' products "for ideas" would be a very good way for Nevrax to get sued, which would doubtless finish of Ryzom once and for all.

Have to poke my oar in on this... You ever looked at WoW? I have several friends who play a lot at work and As two of them sit on either side of me I've seen a lot of it, and they have taken so many ideas from other games, even from films and books that it's like playing an amalgamation of bits of every other MMOG.

WoW is a real Frankenstein's Monster of a game, so looking to other sources for inspiration isn't to be frowned upon, providing you don't just rip chunks out of someone else's game

(Oh, and with regard to the comment someone made about maths and democracy, it was the Greeks who invented those things, and Einstein was a Swiss patent clerk AND it was a Dutchman (Cornelius Drebbel) who invented the submarine in the 17th century, although to be fair it was the Americans that invented the nuclear sub )

[maroo]

I read this and had to respond.

Great great song which sums it all up in this thread, Frydes. Good thinking.

-- Sonia (inactive)

[dazman76]

Hi Mr. Wak313, how are you today? A little irate maybe? My reply to your post was perfectly valid - I'm amazed you were even serious when you suggested changing patch schemes at this stage. Do you even understand what you're suggesting?

I appreciate everyone here isn't PC-technically minded, but if you're going to suggest ideas of a technical nature, at least make sure you understand the implications of what you suggest. Unusable or illogical suggestions don't save a game, and you can expect them to be picked apart quickly. Such is life. Maybe if you hadn't proclaimed the idea to be a lifesaver, or a potential 'raging success', the replies would have been different.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but now you've past your 'nice reply quota'. So I have one more thing to say to you - pull your head from up your own behind, and collect those toys back into your pram, 'mate'

Respect to Sky for posting the reply I should have posted.