Atittude Problem - (Ban me if you must)

[figgybee]

So you're having a winge because no-one posted and said how great your idea was?

Dazman's point is perfectly valid - and your idea (as far as I can tell, not having played GW) was one of a technical change to the game, so dismissing it on technical grounds seems quite okay. The simple fact is that Nevrax have put thousands of hours so far into creating this game, and they have a gameplan for its further development. So random uninformed "wouldn't it be great" posts on this forum are unlikely to sway them from that plan, particularly when they're about the underlying technical workings of the software. So it is with all long-term game projects and their attendant fan forums.

BTW, quite apart all that, "checking out" their competitors' products "for ideas" would be a very good way for Nevrax to get sued, which would doubtless finish of Ryzom once and for all.

[wak313]

So you're having a winge because no-one posted and said how great your idea was?

Dazman's point is perfectly valid - and your idea (as far as I can tell, not having played GW) was one of a technical change to the game, so dismissing it on technical grounds seems quite okay. The simple fact is that Nevrax have put thousands of hours so far into creating this game, and they have a gameplan for its further development. So random uninformed "wouldn't it be great" posts on this forum are unlikely to sway them from that plan, particularly when they're about the underlying technical workings of the software. So it is with all long-term game projects and their attendant fan forums.

BTW, quite apart all that, "checking out" their competitors' products "for ideas" would be a very good way for Nevrax to get sued, which would doubtless finish of Ryzom once and for all.

Are you American?
Sue me for that commment
J/K

but on a more serious note - i now regreat ever using that example - maybe i was wrong in how i even brought up GW (which i havent played either) i threw in some examples so lure people into looking - I could have cut'n'paste the page, or the link, but that I am sure would be a definiate breach of these forum rules.


Please though do read posts 1 & 2 in this thread of mine, as you will see, I not only dont want everyone to agree with me, and i am happy if all done.

Lets rephrase the whole "technical" streaming data point into a QUESTION not a statement:

Would you prefere to have to down load huge patches, every so often to get changes to the "World"/Game? or would you prefere that changes get delivered to you in the background?????

Is that better???

I can see your point RE: Dazman, my statement of clearly mis-understood - thus something interupted as TEchnical should be answered that way.
But at the sametime, i do wonder why people would not only post, but interupt posts as being technical/infrastructure/core engine based....
I mean lets argue if the servers should be Linux, Unix, Windows, Novell etc?
That is not going to get us anywhere...


And as for your "Random, uninformed, wouldnt it be great posts" commment, ok I will buy that one, so what do you suggest?

Please proprose to the SoR comminity, how WE CAN & SHOULD contribute to this game?

Should there be a sub-thread dedicated to suggestions, and should there be a strict format in which to submit to this thread, breaching will result in deletion of post to keep thread clean?

You know, i get the feeling that the statement "random/uninformed" is your way of saying there is so much CRAP is these forums - so maybe its not the "Wouldnt it be nice" posts which are out of place, but all the others????



So feel free to continue arguing with me about how i started this thread and how i should have started this thread.... or contribute to the better of these game and its communitity...

I challenge all out there, I have read the posts of everyone who have voiced that fears of SoR collasping and there desire to keep it going.... so where are you now?


Its all too easy to shoot things down... so stop attacking me, other people, the game, the developers, etc... start helping it... here is your chance...

WHAT DO YOU WANT?

[figgybee]

Are you American?
Sue me for that commment
J/K

lol... no, I'm Australian. But I know - particularly with software - how careful companies have to be about "borrowing" each others ideas.

BTW, we do have something akin to Chapter 11 in this country, it's called Voluntary Administration.

Would you prefere to have to down load huge patches, every so often to get changes to the "World"/Game? or would you prefere that changes get delivered to you in the background?????

Okay... thinking about it that way...

I can see how content, things like quests, could be streamed, but actual game updates, bug fixes etc... I don't see how they could be done except as patches, or what the benefit to streaming them would be.

And as for your "Random, uninformed, wouldnt it be great posts" commment, ok I will buy that one, so what do you suggest?

Please proprose to the SoR comminity, how WE CAN & SHOULD contribute to this game?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with speculating and throwing around ideas. Just don't get narky if other people aren't as enthusiastic about your suggestions as you are. As for contributing to the game, I think that the greatest contribution any of us here can make is to the playing community, rather than to the devs.

You know, i get the feeling that the statement "random/uninformed" is your way of saying there is so much CRAP is these forums - so maybe its not the "Wouldnt it be nice" posts which are out of place, but all the others????

It's not my way of saying that at all.

But ultimately, we are uninformed. There are doubtless reams and reams of technical documents, outlines, and plans for the development of Ryzom which no-one here has read, and nor should we.

Little, icing-on-the-cake type ideas about game features and events might have some chance of reaching the devs (via the community liasons) and being implemented. Over-arching theories about the workings of the game can never be more than idle speculation. The devs have their own ideas about the development of Ryzom, and very little you or I can say is likely to sway them from the path they're already on.

[wak313]

lol... no, I'm Australian.

Thanks Figgybee - your second post is GREAT - very constructive and much appreaciated


Well, not much more to add to this, a nice thread for peeps to read.


Wish Ryzom well

Thanks Everyone!

[vaquero1]

/unban

And what up with all the anti american junk going on. Man if it wont for us you all would be speakin japanise or german right now so I think everyone still owes us a big thx.

[andvice2]

/unban

And what up with all the anti american junk going on. Man if it wont for us you all would be speakin japanise or german right now so I think everyone still owes us a big thx.

and Italian maybe?

We have here at my college a greek guy stating the same thing, accounting it to the persians.
"If it where'nt for us you would have all speaked persian by now!"

National identity is important, Vaquero, but as you have yours, everyone have their one, so be careful. Actually i'm offended by your reply, but i will sleep on it.

[filtern]

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And what up with all the anti american junk going on. Man if it wont for us you all would be speakin japanise or german right now so I think everyone still owes us a big thx.

Ok, American did a great job during WW2. But the past 60 years have not been all that great, seen from the outside

Seems like they made so many rifles that they had to go another place to use them after WW2..

And when the outpost arrive, we'll have a WW3 on our hands!!

[hans1976]

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And what up with all the anti american junk going on. Man if it wont for us you all would be speakin japanise or german right now so I think everyone still owes us a big thx.

If it wasnt for us Dutch, you would still be under Spanish oppression.

I mean, come on, how far do you want to go back? Actually, thinking of it, if it wasn't for my greatgreatubergrandfather hitting the mammoth on the head at the right time and with that saving you greatgreatubergrandmother, you'd never been born.

The real reason the US joined the second European Great War was the semi-accidental sinking of a passenger ship by a German U-boat. Even though Japan already attacked pearl harbor, the US would have rather kept at the side of the conflict.

And at the time of the invasion, the Third Reich was already crumbling.
Either way, the best thing to say here is: "If it wasn't for us Yanks, you would now learn at school that Stalin was a really great guy and Russian as the official language."

And if you think this reply is off-topic, read a bit more on these forums, as imo this whole thread is lacking in usefullness anyway...

[wak313]

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And what up with all the anti american junk going on. Man if it wont for us you all would be speakin japanise or german right now so I think everyone still owes us a big thx.

Nothing Anti-American about it, my Father in law in 100% pure-bread Yank and he is an awesome bloke!!!

Its just one of those things, the world sees the USA as "i'll sue you" over everything and anything

[archerke]

dont go political in here guys completely out of topic and who are U to claim some great achievements of ur country anyway? country is a very vague sense. its not caus ur american/ german or whatever that u can claim/be judged for things that happened in the past

my grandfather was badly wounded in ww2 i dont hate germans for it, why should i? the current generation cant help it.

now on topic

gleno my dear friend by posting these threads u get the rage of the community over u! I know ur a very nice person and u always want the best for the game and players. But try to point it out less agressive, mind the way u state thing caus the way u do it now it becomes a "flame gleno" thread instead of a constructive one.