Newbie question

[ilthor]

This is exploid

Nah, not really... its just a "hole" in the system (i think...) to allow low lvl players to change direction easily. Anyways, if 50 sp's are a lot on some trees (50 sp = 1 HQ armor plan), in others you just don't have anything to spend them on (200+ sp's on magic to spend and nothing to do with them = each time i get upgrades i already did the sp's i need to buy them by lvling to the upgrade lvl, so i always have a 200 magic sp reserve... think that might change when i get the race elem spells though).

[dazman76]

This is exploid

Hmmm, the old exploit argument again Crafting and magic would both require skill to even begin training. Fighting, however, involves merely swinging a weapon repeatedly (at least at lower levels).

Plus, someone could make the choice mentioned (no fight pack), play for a while, and just buy a weapon, thus allowing them to fight - now how can that be exploiting when they were just 'checking out the weapons options' ?

[andvice2]

I reccomend doing 2 Magic 1 Craft
then you get your first extraction stanza ( foraging ) with 20 magic points.

[ilthor]

Crafting and magic would both require skill to even begin training.

Although that is true for crafting, i've heard (not tried it) its possible to get magic xp with no skill. How? simply put an enchantment in a weap of your choice and start blasting/healing/blinding/etc away.

[rushin]

Although that is true for crafting, i've heard (not tried it) its possible to get magic xp with no skill. How? simply put an enchantment in a weap of your choice and start blasting/healing/blinding/etc away.

it's not. u dont get any xp from using enchantments

[dazman76]

Although that is true for crafting...

Sorry, I should have been clearer there I didn't mean picking up xp in-game, I was thinking more about 'plausability' (avoiding using the word 'realistic'). I.e., if you put yourself in a fantasy setting, the previous comments apply:

Killing weak monsters is easy - pick up a sword (or any sharp object), swing,swing,slice,dead.
Try to make armour - falls apart on every attempt, until you finally figure out what you're doing
Try to cast magic - if you don't know how, where do you start?

Just my opinion obviously

[ilthor]

it's not. u dont get any xp from using enchantments

Sorry if i misled anyone (i said i wasnt sure), but i heard people talk about that. Seems they (and me) were wrong...

[b00ster1]

it's not. u dont get any xp from using enchantments

Started with Melee/Craft/Harvest.
First 5 levels in magic got using enchantment "Cold x" on 2H Axe.
Then for 50 SP buyed first spell from Magic trainers.

2 times hit with cold, then kill in 2 hits with axe = XP 50%/50% (Melee/Magic)

[rushin]

Started with Melee/Craft/Harvest.
First 5 levels in magic got using enchantment "Cold x" on 2H Axe.
Then for 50 SP buyed first spell from Magic trainers.

2 times hit with cold, then kill in 2 hits with axe = XP 50%/50% (Melee/Magic)

darn that's odd.. i had this very idea way back and i remember trying it and getting no magic xp.. will have a test again 2nite

[BIG EDIT]
no i have just tested it, you get no xp. killed a few clopper's just with acid enchantment on dagger. tells me i killed them in system info but no xp message at all. It may have been different in the past but there are a lot of undocumented changes in patches.

[madnak]

I'll confirm that - you don't get xp from enchantments. If you hit a mob with an axe and then nuke them to death, you will receive 100% axe experience. No elemental.