Rats on a Sinking Ship

[buzyb77]

why Do i Get that Feeling everytime i Play now??

I have people that I like to talk to but.... that is only so fun

I love Crafting but it took 10 stacks of mats to get that lvl....

I like doing Rites but there are Soooooooo Few atm and the the Rewards kinda bite....

Retalers have stopped sellin it in many places......

Events have no pourpose.. for the most part.....

Promises Get pushed back to where we no longer see them.....

Questons Get avoided... (why are we in Round 2 when Round one is not Completed?).....

how many Bug fixes will we have to go though before Spring "Clean-up" is done?

when will Chapter 3 Be ready ( BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE WERE PROMISED WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS GAME) Chapter 3 will Complete hopefull 90% of the box. Not the 20% that we Got when many of us started in OCT and id say 50%to 70% that we currently have evant though we Lack GOOD/Great content


Untill the next Broken set of promises

the Grinding continues

[ptooie]

Danu...
The job of SoR whiner has already been filled by Ranyes...
Altho I here there may be an opening soon...
<Keeps fingers crossed>

[grimjim]

"I love Crafting but it took 10 stacks of mats to get that lvl...."

If it was too quick what would be the accomplishment?
Would you rather have easier levels but much harder to get mats?

"I like doing Rites but there are Soooooooo Few atm and the the Rewards kinda bite...."

They're all interesting and at least a little bit worth it, they're also only the first few.

"Retalers have stopped sellin it in many places......"

No game stays in the stores forever.

"Events have no pourpose.. for the most part....."

To have fun?

"Promises Get pushed back to where we no longer see them....."

Like the outposts that are no definately visible on the horizon?
Better to have it working isn't it?

"Questons Get avoided... (why are we in Round 2 when Round one is not Completed?)....."

Que?

"how many Bug fixes will we have to go though before Spring "Clean-up" is done?"

You'd rather they got left?

"when will Chapter 3 Be ready ( BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE WERE PROMISED WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS GAME) Chapter 3 will Complete hopefull 90% of the box. Not the 20% that we Got when many of us started in OCT and id say 50%to 70% that we currently have evant though we Lack GOOD/Great content"

Soon and no, not even standard PC retail games come out without needing patches these days. I've been wrestling with KOTOR2 bugs, for example.

If the forums are anything to go by, and about all I trust them for is to tell us how isolated people feel in their areas, then the US server does have a problem and its not Nevrax, your GMs or anything else but yourselves. You are excessively demanding, strident, nasty and seem to expect everything to be served up on a plate FOR you rather than actively creating events and content for yourselves. This is an interactive game, not television, you get more out if you put more in. Make the effort, be social with each other, make your own events and the game will be much more for you.

[hans1976]

Jyudas, as a gratefull customer of your services, how much do I owe you if you bark some more Yanks up a tree?

[zukor]

"I love Crafting but it took 10 stacks of mats to get that lvl...."

If it was too quick what would be the accomplishment?
Would you rather have easier levels but much harder to get mats?

"I like doing Rites but there are Soooooooo Few atm and the the Rewards kinda bite...."

They're all interesting and at least a little bit worth it, they're also only the first few.

"Retalers have stopped sellin it in many places......"

No game stays in the stores forever.

"Events have no pourpose.. for the most part....."

To have fun?

"Promises Get pushed back to where we no longer see them....."

Like the outposts that are no definately visible on the horizon?
Better to have it working isn't it?

"Questons Get avoided... (why are we in Round 2 when Round one is not Completed?)....."

Que?

"how many Bug fixes will we have to go though before Spring "Clean-up" is done?"

You'd rather they got left?

"when will Chapter 3 Be ready ( BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE WERE PROMISED WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS GAME) Chapter 3 will Complete hopefull 90% of the box. Not the 20% that we Got when many of us started in OCT and id say 50%to 70% that we currently have evant though we Lack GOOD/Great content"

Soon and no, not even standard PC retail games come out without needing patches these days. I've been wrestling with KOTOR2 bugs, for example.

If the forums are anything to go by, and about all I trust them for is to tell us how isolated people feel in their areas, then the US server does have a problem and its not Nevrax, your GMs or anything else but yourselves. You are excessively demanding, strident, nasty and seem to expect everything to be served up on a plate FOR you rather than actively creating events and content for yourselves. This is an interactive game, not television, you get more out if you put more in. Make the effort, be social with each other, make your own events and the game will be much more for you.

Sorry, but blaming players for the failures or inadequacies of the game will not lead anywhere useful. Many feel that the game currently is unsatisfying; I personally have not played for over a week, instead playing X2 and signing up for EVE. It's just too boring and repetitive. The whole reason I signed up in the first place was the emphasis placed on interactivity and a living world in the advertisements. I wanted to build up a character who could participate in a war between homin and kitin. The whole thing seemed very interesting and exciting. Sadly, none of that exists.

No doubt there is a vocal group who are fine with the game the way it is now. However, I doubt there are enough to keep this game healthy for the future. For those who care about the game, you'd be better off thanking those who point out the shortcomings, so that hopefully they can be addressed before it's too late. Bashing the messengers doesn't make much sense.

Doctor Z.

[dc77066]

IIRC, the rats are the first to go.

We Yanks aren't any more demanding than anyone else. We like a little truth to our advertising and we take our "freedom of speech" a little too literally. We'd complain that there was nothing to complain about IF that was ever the case. We want our fun and our food super sized and we want it before we know we want it. But if you scrape away the fluff, the fat and the colorful language you'll discover that at the core we really want Ryzom to succeed and deperately hope it will exceed our expectations, even our lavish ones. If we didn't like it we wouldn't be here talking about it.

Doctor Z: I'll save you the trouble with Eve... Think Ryzom is repetitive and boring?? I traveled 87 sectors to New Eden in my newbie ship, passed the same image of a planet 86 times and then got podded. I never felt so alone and small as I did in Eve.

Raynes: please define "content" for us one more time. You've been demanding content for 4 MMORGs now. Its lost all meaning.

There are issues. Some serious ones. Player epathy and shrinking population. Banking on "word of mouth" sales from a bunch of introverted homebodies, err, gaming enthusiasts has proven not to be the best marketing strategy. The "story" and lore needs to be told by NPC's not on a web page. But at the end of the day and late into the evening, my butt will be in that chair in front of my big NEC CRT playing a pretty good game...

('Saga of Ryzom,' for those of you that have forgotten)

[vinnyq]

you'd be better off thanking those who point out the shortcomings, so that hopefully they can be addressed before it's too late

I am pretty sure Nevrax are aware of most of the short comings, Z. And if they don't, there's still a difference between bringing it to their attention and being demeaning/insulting/wailings.

They just can't willed the bug fixes and the contents into existence. They have to work at it. They are working at it. What do you guys think Nevrax doing anyhow, just sitting down drinking wine and eating cheese and nap all day? Laughing evilly in their French evil way on how they're cheating the moneys out of these gullibles players? Bwahahahhahaha?

And heh, don't judge us yanks too strongly, you brits. There's still a majority of us who are still having fun. It's on and off. Sometimes it's just mindless grinds, some times it's just routine exploring, but once in a while something would happened and excitements and funness would abound. Then things would settle again into a routine. Not every day can be a good day, I suppose.

I have a feeling most pple avoid the forum now like a plague because of the heavy-hearted feeling of the place. It only takes 1 grump to take the life out of a party.

[zukor]

I am pretty sure Nevrax are aware of most of the short comings, Z. And if they don't, there's still a difference between bringing it to their attention and being demeaning/insulting/wailings.

I agree 100%. I would hope criticisms would be constructive. I think many have been.

They just can't willed the bug fixes and the contents into existence. They have to work at it. They are working at it. What do you guys think Nevrax doing anyhow, just sitting down drinking wine and eating cheese and nap all day? Laughing evilly in their French evil way on how they're cheating the moneys out of these gullibles players? Bwahahahhahaha?

No, they can't will bug fixes into existence. But what they've been advertising since at least 3 months before the beta ended still doesn't exist. And I'm not talking about minor features....I'm talking about the core feature of their advertising that supposedly differentiated SoR and made it special. Their motivations are, I'm sure, not the absurd ones you suggest. But their motivations don't really matter; it's the results that count.

And heh, don't judge us yanks too strongly, you brits. There's still a majority of us who are still having fun. It's on and off. Sometimes it's just mindless grinds, some times it's just routine exploring, but once in a while something would happened and excitements and funness would abound. Then things would settle again into a routine. Not every day can be a good day, I suppose.

Even by your account, it sounds like too much grind for too little reward. Only "once in a while" does something fun and exciting happen? Why can't every day be a "good day"? We are playing this for fun, this isn't work or real life.

Doctor Z.

[vinnyq]

Even by your account, it sounds like too much grind for too little reward. Only "once in a while" does something fun and exciting happen? Why can't every day be a "good day"? We are playing this for fun, this isn't work or real life.

This is true. I haven't play much mmorpgs (only RYL and a bit of Guildwars etc).

I just assumed that most games of these nature aren't 100% funcity alla time. Some times you grind, and you grind so you can get to more fun stuff, things of that nature.

[zyryx]

A note about MMORPGs as a whole:

• All MMORPGs are optimistic
• All MMORPGs say they can do this or that, and it takes 2, 3, 4x as long
• There will ALWAYS be bugs.
• There will always be bug fixes, and a 'lack of content' because the stuff on the box takes longer than expected (it's happened in every game I've played that was an MMORPG)
• There is always a grind of some kind or other
• Ryzom is no different

I've played a number of MMORPGs - 5 or 6 now; THey all take longer to produce something than what is first said. For example I just came from Eve online; their big content patches happen once a year; they've promised some things that didn't come out until last november (when they were supposedly comign out like 2 months after launch) and last november was 1.5 years into the game's life.

I can't say it enough, Ryzom is no different. THey've done a fantastcally wondrous job for their company size and history (i.e. very new company) and I think this game can make it. Their key to winning, I think, is pvp. if there's no end-game, then we're all grinding towards nothing. Enjoy the game, don't rush through it. Wait for content to be added; don't hassle. IF you criticize, do it constructively.

Now that I'm done complaining about your complaints, I'll say this: I have complained, I've thought some MMO's were lousy, I've whined, and yes I've done all the stuff I just told you not too (though not on the forums..)

So the key is to wait it out, and try to find a way to make the game fun for yourself.

-Zryos