I am using the cone with the prospect action after I have used tracking. The fine limitation is actually "up to fine" so I should be able to find anything fine or lower, right?thexdane wrote:if you're doing that then that's why you aren't finding things, the cone can't be used with the tracking, also remove the fine limitation because you may or may not be stumbling upon a choice spot, which yeilds a no mats found if you're looking for only fine mats
psst... I don't think anyone really cares what you think... reason being... well... like was already said by many... since the game started... is that... *gasp* tracking does not work properly when you try to search for anything specific.madnak wrote:I have never had tracking lie to me. Except that it's approximate. Meaning the source could be 40m away from where it claims.
Use 60m tracking with 120 degree angle and make four prospects at 90 angles of difference (so there will be some overlap). If there are no obstacles (trees, roots, etc) in the area you should find the mat. Perform this experiment and I'll be satisfied tracking is broken. If you don't have at least 40m tracking, I just plain don't believe you can find the needle in a haystack. Since the deposit could be anywhere in a circle with 80m radius around the spot you locate - well, given the ranges and angles below level 100 there is basically no way to thoroughly search the area.
So when a low-level harvester tells me tracking is broken I have to be a bit suspicious.
Tracking finds specific resources easily. It just gives a general location and not a specific location. Tracking is the beginning of the search, not the end.tetra wrote:psst... I don't think anyone really cares what you think... reason being... well... like was already said by many... since the game started... is that... *gasp* tracking does not work properly when you try to search for anything specific.
Err, not to get in the middle of the nice flame war that seems to be starting to brew here but a couple more observations:madnak wrote:So when a low-level harvester tells me tracking is broken I have to be a bit suspicious...tracking...just gives a general location and not a specific location. Tracking is the beginning of the search, not the end.
You said you found other mats - how did you find other mats if you used the same prospecting specs as tracking specs? If the tracking and prospect actions are the same, then the tracking action will locate any mats the prospect action will locate. Using "up to" choice in a tracking stanza will track basic or fine or choice. It will not necessarily find choice.usinuk wrote:When it doesn't work I find that I am finding random mats of random qualities
Please refer me to a post where this has been confirmed.madnak wrote:Tracking isn't supposed to have a 100% success rate.
That's one part of the bug. I can have prospecting find mats that deposit tracking doesn't. Repeated tracks will not show mats in a region - even switching from major to minor node and 'only' to 'up to' stanzas - where a single prospect will find them specifically.madnak wrote:You said you found other mats - how did you find other mats if you used the same prospecting specs as tracking specs? If the tracking and prospect actions are the same, then the tracking action will locate any mats the prospect action will locate
In spending the time to level every single harvest line over 100 I've mapped regions where almost no one harvests. In doing so I'd get a deposit track confirm, find nothing nearby, then get frustrated and blow my entire focus line on doing wide angle 40m or 60m searches in the hope that I can find another minor node. Initially, I did this by standing right over the nominal node deposit tracking was supposed to find and then turning around in circles, hoping that if I didn't find the specific node indicated by tracking I'd find another one, as there are almost always a couple of minor choice nodes near each other (not the case with minor fine/basic nodes). Then I'd run around and do random 40m or 60m prospects to see if I could find anything worth harvesting.madnak wrote:Finally, have you tried my experiment? It sounds like if you don't find the source within 5m you give up... thus the "bug." Until someone searches the entire circle with 40m radius
No, I'm getting tracking to sometimes work roughly the way a couple of GMs told me that it should.madnak wrote:If you find it right where the tracking action led you, then you are lucky
usinuk wrote:Err, not to get in the middle of the nice flame war that seems to be starting to brew here but a couple more observations:
1. When deposit tracking works I find that I can nail a specific mat of a specific quality down to a few meters within where I get the "very close message", not a 40 or 80m radius. I then back up a few feet, use an equally detailed (minor/major specific node, knowledge, etc...big focus cost) wide-angle prospection with multiple spots, and I'm usually within a few meters. Sometimes I need to do this a couple of times as I've overrun the spot, but I wouldn't call this 'broken'.
2. When it doesn't work I find that I am finding random mats of random qualities or worse yet, no mats at all in a region where I _know_ I have non-seasonal mats...or worse yet, I can find them where they're marked on my map using prospecting but not with deposit tracking. This has been confirmed by others in multiple posts as happening at various times - one poster had mentioned this happened when she learned a new harvest action - but it sounds from others like this happens a lot randomly, as it does to me. I would love to bug this repeatedly but if I can't nail down the situation that causes it I'm not sending in the tickets. Logging sometimes clears this.
One other tip: I do find the 'only' stanzas work more often than the 'up to' stanzas.
Back to shouting at one another...
