mat question

[ayne31]

I am known for being able of showing limitless patience and dedication.

Next try:

1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
2. Will choiceQ20 plus basicQ30 produce WORSE stats than basicQ30 only

Regarding identical mats of course xcept for the noted differences. And statwise I mean the numbers given for:
overall protection %
prot. agains slash #
prot. against pierce #
prot. against smash(?) #
weight #
bulk #

I *still* appreciate a simple yes/no/no idea

[ayne31]

As you found the time to respond to some other post I made I wanted to remind you that I am still waiting for an answer on this one right above

[kierstad]

Incorrect. I answered it - unlike tekkor you doesn't seem to have the mental capabilities to understand it, though. And that combination IS included in your example (you know, fine q30?). Oh well, lets make it even more bloddy obvious:

q20 fine has EXACTLY the same boni as q30 fine
Meaning - in this aspect fine q20 = fine q30. Mat lvl doesn't matter here. At all.

Ergo: Since mat lvl doesn't matter here the "fine 30" in
1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
could be ANY lvl (at least if you stay over q20). You will get the same result with fine q20, q30, q40, q250.

And for q20 you answered it yourself already.

What's your character name in game so I can avoid you at all costs?
Is it really that difficult for you to keep your responses civil and not condescending?

[cerest]

Incorrect. I answered it - unlike tekkor you doesn't seem to have the mental capabilities to understand it, though. And that combination IS included in your example (you know, fine q30?). Oh well, lets make it even more bloddy obvious:

This IS NOT a forum where you can insult other people's mental capabilities in any way shape or form and it will not be tolerated. You may have meant it in a joking manner but others may take offence. Please keep EVERYONE'S feelings in mind before you post! Anything that seems demeaning may BE demeaning, please use common sense.

[ente33]

I am known for being able of showing limitless patience and dedication.

Next try:

1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
2. Will choiceQ20 plus basicQ30 produce WORSE stats than basicQ30 only

Regarding identical mats of course xcept for the noted differences. And statwise I mean the numbers given for:
overall protection %
prot. agains slash #
prot. against pierce #
prot. against smash(?) #
weight #
bulk #

I *still* appreciate a simple yes/no/no idea

1. Yes.
2. No idea.

To clarify for those who wish more of an explanation:

1. Yes it will be worse. Specifically, you will get a Q20 item.

2. I don't know. If you do the first, you will get a Q20 item, with X stats. In the second, you will get a Q30 item (assuming you are using the level 3 crafting skill) with stats Y. Does X=Y? I don't know. But the Q30 item will likely have higher requirements to use, and will be worse than a Q30 item made with all or partial Q30 Choice mats.

This is also assuming you are talking identical mats other than the Basic/Fine/Choice designation. What Shrike has been talking about is important, and not overly intuitive, though. A unit of Q20 Choice Forest Buo Fiber used in making a Q20 pair of boots will provide the same stat effects as one unit of Q250 Choice Forest Buo Fiber used in the same boots. The result will still be Q20, and the stats would be the same as if another Q20 Choice mat were used instead. To put it shortly, there is no inherent improvement based purely on Q-level of the mats.

[euwest]

i managed to get the following answers to awne31's questions from shrike's post:

1. yes
2. no

please correct me if i'm reading your post wrong shrike.

[kierstad]

Any time you mix QL mats (from what I've seen) it will automatically drop the overall QL of the item made down to the lowest QL mat used.

In regards to how material attributes affect the item attributes, I wish I knew exactly how they factored it. For the most part I think it is safe to say that if they match closely in attributes, those attributes won't be harmed by mixing QL materials. Of course, if you use mostly Q30 Choice mats with relatively good attributes, then introduce say a batch of Q20 choice mats with poor attributes, then yes, it will not only drop the QL of the item overall to 20, but it will also lessen the overall attributes of the item.

1. Will choiceQ20 plus basic/fineQ30 produce WORSE stats than choiceQ20 only
2. Will choiceQ20 plus basicQ30 produce WORSE stats than basicQ30 only

1. The only reason that this would produce worse stats is if the basic/fine q30 materials had lower attributes than the choice q20. Remember, just because it's a fine/choice/excellent/superb material doesn't mean it's the perfect one for the particular ingredient you're using it for.

2. See above. It is more determined by the attributes of the materials used, not necessariliy just the QL of the materials.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that an item crafted with all Choice Q20 materials will be just as good as an item crafted with all Choice Q30 materials. The only way that would happen is if you used the best of the Choice Q20 materials, and the worst of the Choice Q30 materials. At least this is my understanding of it from my own crafting and watching attributes.

[ayne31]

I do belive #1 is an overall yes but I am still very unsure about #2

Although bulky i seem to have no other choice then to take those 50 mats to the mainland and test this myself as no one so far seemed to have taken some notes while crafting mixes. I am rather an investigative and creative type so I accept no dogmas like "dont mix qualities" as long as there based on assumptions.

No offense meant of course - I took no notes myself about ANYTHING until now

I will post the exact stats of a small sample at the end of the weekend in case anybody else is also curious about it

[ayne31]

i managed to get the following answers to awne31's questions from shrike's post:

1. yes
2. no

please correct me if i'm reading your post wrong shrike.

Now thats funny - I used the IE5 text search to make sure but it did not detect the words "yes" or "no" in any of shrikes post here (xcept for "no" as part of another word)

And as a little sidenote:
Shrike edited his last post to make the impression he answered my question at least so-la-la.
How I can prove this? I cant - but the editing note tells us that it happened 25 minutes after his original posting and 8 minutes after I posted my answer to it.

Which does not look like the usual edit for spelling or adding a smiley we do more or less immediately after the original posting.

[kierstad]

I do belive #1 is an overall yes but I am still very unsure about #2

Although bulky i seem to have no other choice then to take those 50 mats to the mainland and test this myself as no one so far seemed to have taken some notes while crafting mixes. I am rather an investigative and creative type so I accept no dogmas like "dont mix qualities" as long as there based on assumptions.

No offense meant of course - I took no notes myself about ANYTHING until now

I will post the exact stats of a small sample at the end of the weekend in case anybody else is also curious about it

I'll check my notes when I get home from work. I actually did write quite a bit down as I levelled armor craft, just can't remember it all off the top of my head. I think mixing qualities is fine as long as you're aware that it will drop the quality level of the item down to the lowest material used. Important to note that this will affect your actions used. I.E. if you use a tier 3 skill with a QL20 weapon, it won't be as effective as one used with a QL30 weapon (same attributes assumed in this case just to make it easy).