Iorus' Grandfather

[dc77066]

At the risk of sounding dumb (nothing new, really), could someone explain last night's contest???

Gacus Deps creates a riddle of the the relationships of the Abygrian Clan...

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Yesterday, for example, just before nightfall, I overheard a stange conversation between two Fyros, as is their way.
Xatheus and Thello Abygrain are two Fyros I know very well, as I come for the same district of Pyr.
Xatheus and Thello passed by in front of me, deep in conversation.
You should know that I know Iorus, Thello's brother, really well. He is a guard in Pyr. And Lyton Abygrian is a great friend and is the nephew of Xatheus.
So yesterday, I heard Xatheus moaning and saying to Thello:
...after all, I'm related to Theron in the same way as Theron is to you!
And Thello replied to Xatheur, quick as a flash: Yeah and me, I'm related to you in the same way as Theron is to his father.

My question is therefore the following: Can you give me the first name of Iorus' grandfather?

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Fact: Iorus is Thello's brother.
Theron is the son of his father, therefore Thello is Xatheur's son... right?
Wouldn't that make Xatheus Iorus' father as well??? Who is Theron??

If I find Gacus Deps on the street of Pyr I will beat the answer of him... but as I am not a proponent of senseless violence, can someone tell me where my logic failed??

Thanks,
Raku

[madnak]

Xatheus is related to Theron in the same way Thello is related to Xatheus.

Thello is related to Xatheus in the same way that Theron is related to his father.

Therefore, Thello is Xatheus' son (just as Theron is his father's son).

Therefore, since Thello is Xatheus' son, and Xatheus is to Theron what Thello is to Xatheus, Xatheus is Theron's son.

Since Iorus is Thello's brother, we assume they have the same grandfather. Theron is Thello's father's father, in other words his grandfather. Thus, Theron must also be Iorus' grandfather.

[bcharles]

dc77066 says: I'm(Xatheus) related to Theron in the same way as Theron is to you!

madnak says: Xatheus is related to Theron in the same way Thello is related to Xatheus.

We've got Theron in one case and Thello in the other. Who mistyped?

[dc77066]

Xatheus is related to Theron in the same way Thello is related to Xatheus.

Thello is related to Xatheus in the same way that Theron is related to his father.

Therefore, Thello is Xatheus' son (just as Theron is his father's son).

Therefore, since Thello is Xatheus' son, and Xatheus is to Theron what Thello is to Xatheus, Xatheus is Theron's son.

Since Iorus is Thello's brother, we assume they have the same grandfather. Theron is Thello's father's father, in other words his grandfather. Thus, Theron must also be Iorus' grandfather.

But the contest answer (according to th channel) was Xatheus... hence my confusion....

[dc77066]

dc77066 says: I'm(Xatheus) related to Theron in the same way as Theron is to you!

madnak says: Xatheus is related to Theron in the same way Thello is related to Xatheus.

We've got Theron in one case and Thello in the other. Who mistyped?

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[marct]

I thought that Xatheus was the correct answer to this.



I also cannot connect this all. I may be missing somehting from the lore about Theron and a realtionship. The piece about Lyton Abygrian seems extraneous. However this may be the connection in the lore to Theron.

To my knowledge, the statement:

Xatheus is realted to Theron in the same way that Theron is related to Thello is the key. This is not explained in the contest, so the lore must explain it.

From my deduction and logic, I agree Xatheus is Iorus's father.

[madnak]

Oops, yeah. Hehe. Just switch Xatheus and Theron in what I said.

[marct]

Yesterday, for example, just before nightfall, I overheard a stange conversation between two Fyros, as is their way.
Xatheus and Thello Abygrain are two Fyros I know very well, as I come for the same district of Pyr.
Xatheus and Thello passed by in front of me, deep in conversation.
You should know that I know Iorus, Thello's brother, really well. He is a guard in Pyr. And Lyton Abygrian is a great friend and is the nephew of Xatheus.
So yesterday, I heard Xatheus moaning and saying to Thello:
...after all, I'm related to Theron in the same way as Theron is to you!
And Thello replied to Xatheur, quick as a flash: Yeah and me, I'm related to you in the same way as Theron is to his father.

My question is therefore the following: Can you give me the first name of Iorus' grandfather?

-----

Fact:
Iorus is Thello's brother.
Theron is the son of his father, therefore Thello is Xatheur's son... right?

Wouldn't that make Xatheus Iorus' father as well??? Who is Theron??

If I find Gacus Deps on the street of Pyr I will beat the answer of him... but as I am not a proponent of senseless violence, can someone tell me where my logic failed??

Thanks,
Raku

One more fact you have left out here that somehow plays a role here.
Fact: Lyton Abygrian is the nephew of Xatheus

So the only way I see this working out to be Xatheus is if Iorus is Lyton's son. Meaning Thello and Iorus share the same mother, but have differing fathers

Xatheus is Thello's father with 'Lady X' as the mother.
Lyton is Iorus's father with 'Lady X' as the mother.

The part about Theron and Lyton are the two missing factors.

Those darn Fyros, funny relationships over there. It must be the Kami's

[madnak]

It's not the lore. The reason it threw people is the line: "I'm related to you in the same way as Theron is to his father." That line is simply not true. Xatheus isn't Therro's father, or he couldn't be Iorus' grandfather. The riddle was borked.

[figgybee]

Xatheus is related Theron in the same way as Theron is to Thello. So you have:

Xatheus -> Theron -> Thello

Thello is related to Xatheus in the same way as Theron is to his father.

Thello -> Xatheus
Theron -> Theron's father

The second statement there would seem to suggest that Xatheus is Thello's father, which doesn't quite fit with him being Thello's brother's grandfather. So as I see it (and having answered "Xatheus" myself rather quickly, I don't want to rock the boat too much on this one ) there are two possibilities...

Firstly, a rather oblique possibility. Deps goes on to explain about the cult of the family: is it possible that Thello's "relationship" to Xatheus is the same as his Theron's relationship to his father (Xatheus again); namely, that Xatheus is the head of the family?

Second possibility, there's a typo somewhere. A confusion of pronouns perhaps?

If you change "Yeah and me, I'm related to you in the same way as Theron is to his father" to "Yeah and me, I'm related to you in the same way as Theron is to your father", it all makes sense.