Scam or Fair trade???

[hans1976]

Im always checking to see the prices being charged by the competition, generally there all about the same occasionally Ill see someone chancing it by doing 300-400%.

Yes, I am Tryker, but does that make me a little scammer? I charge 350% on the items for sale at the mercs and I do sell parts of that. I dont get yelled at for high prices, I dont get very many tells in game either from people wanting it cheaper. I actually think that 300 to 400 % for mq full choice items is just about right.

Grtz,

[ilthor]

I actually think that 300 to 400 % for mq full choice items is just about right.

Grtz,

Hehe, i sell med quality full choice q110/120 armor sets at 45%... most of the times items are lost due to time on shops...

I must be doing something wrong i suppose, lol


sip

[boinged]

(How much you can sell for depends on supply and demand. I'm constantly levelling heavy armour crafting so end up flooding the market. I charge 100% markup for these items (for choice) as I never even really thought about changing it. If I spent more time thinking about it then I would probably ramp up the price with each level, e.g. lvl 100 is 100%, 110 is 150%. The customer is not just paying for the material cost but the skill/time invested of the crafter.

Anyway, I'm not doing this right now and I usually sell a few items a day. The income from these is negligable compared to the hundreds that I just get the NPC price from. I don't expect to sell a lot to other players as armour wears out and people level only so fast.

When I level on high quality armour I don't even sell to players as I don't want everyone wearing this stuff. I don't see anything wrong with paying millions for a set of high quality, high level armour. But that's because I have millions.

Maybe the economy just doesn't work?)

[sx4rlet]

Hehe, i sell med quality full choice q110/120 armor sets at 45%... most of the times items are lost due to time on shops...

I must be doing something wrong i suppose, lol
sip

You sure do!
I make q110 light armor (sap/hp) for 350%...

Sxarlet

[mboeing]

300-350% mark up is more then fair.

Considering I could sell the resources for 200% of the money of a crafted item. And that without fails. 300% is just the lower limit of barely making a profit.

If you sell for less you are doing a community service, but not being a trader.

If I do personal order (when I still did them) I sold for a lot more then that. Its always what you want to achive and what the other person is willing to pay.

[borguk]

Depends on the market, on my constant travels around the markets.

Fyros - plentiful, low- medium prices
Matis - extremely plentiful, low - medum prices
Tryker - adequate - low to high prices
Zorai - in-adequate - low to high prices

Since I only use choice oath bark and big shell for swords etc Ive found someone exporting my q110's to Zorai and selling them for 55k

Price is dictated to by demand, which accounts for the price of q140 plus jewellery atm, Teddy had each piece of q140 hp at 250k per item on the matis market. Higher crafters are now asking for mats instead of dappers, even they are just levelling mats.

[borg9]

A question to hunters......

Why do you think us crafters should even bother to sell our crafted items to you?

Have you check the merchants for raw materials (mob mats)?

I did a trip around the world looking for ql180+ leveling animal mats, this is what I found:

Tryker - Avendale - 90% at fair prices (2-3k a peice for ql180-250 mats)

Fyros - Theos - 60% at fair prices, 20% high prices, 10% stupid prices (15k a peice anyone for an onxy shell!), 10% storage (72k+ has to be storage, correct me if I am wrong Supermova). Please note I bought ALL the fair priced mats!

Zorai - Min-Cho - 20% fair prices, 50% high prices (3-4k), 30% stupid prices

(Guess what I didn't stop long here.)


So Hunters let me explain something here.....

YOU are driving the crafters into self reliance.

If we have to dig ALL our own mats, which if we sold direct to the merchants would makes more money than crafting with them. - If money is our intrest we would stop here.

If we grind these mats in to items which when sold direct to the NPC still give a resonable return. - If money & lvling crafting is our intrest we would stop here.

But our aim is to supply the player base with nice item so they can go out to play with the big mobs.

So give us a break.

Treat us will at least some manors, If you greet me with a tell say 'I want a ql100 hvy set, now.' You may find that the price I was thinking of charging got doubled!

My customers will tell you that I now ask only for leveling mats in exchange.

When making customer orders, other players get some benefits, I sell 'degrades' on the NPC merchants as I hate junking boosted items. When making for order is the only time I craft with boosts.


So there you go, maybe the reason for high prices lies in the hand of the customers.

[dam23]

Fyros - Theos - 60% at fair prices, 20% high prices, 10% stupid prices (15k a peice anyone for an onxy shell!), 10% storage (72k+ has to be storage, correct me if I am wrong Supermova). Please note I bought ALL the fair priced mats!

Support -> Exploit -> Report
Lemme explain here, this, is obviously not a regular way of getting money is it?
When you find that someone *deliberately* puts stuff at a v. high price, just report them... the merchants aren't meant to serve as storage (mektoubs, appartments, guild hall), and neither are they supposed to be a way to griefplay (hope a player doesnt pay attention, and buys your overpriced stuff by mistake.)

[borguk]

Support -> Exploit -> Report
Lemme explain here, this, is obviously not a regular way of getting money is it?
When you find that someone *deliberately* puts stuff at a v. high price, just report them... the merchants aren't meant to serve as storage (mektoubs, appartments, guild hall), and neither are they supposed to be a way to griefplay (hope a player doesnt pay attention, and buys your overpriced stuff by mistake.)

I first heard of griefplay occurring on the NA forums, like everything else it didnt take long until it started happening over here. Now when Im looking for levelling mats Im extremely careful because usually some nasty little person has inserted something at a stupid price. Question is without putting limiters on the only way to stop this is to have someone policing the markets. Lets face it in RL thats exactly what happens, anyone charging exobitant sums is set upon by the Office of Fair Trading. Should Nevrax or the players implement such a system ?

[borg9]

I first heard of griefplay occurring on the NA forums, like everything else it didnt take long until it started happening over here. Now when Im looking for levelling mats Im extremely careful because usually some nasty little person has inserted something at a stupid price. Question is without putting limiters on the only way to stop this is to have someone policing the markets. Lets face it in RL thats exactly what happens, anyone charging exobitant sums is set upon by the Office of Fair Trading. Should Nevrax or the players implement such a system ?

My basic guide is:

If its a stupid price I don't buy it. In 7 day it will turn in to yet another 0 item that has to be scrolled past to find the items that actually can be bought.

Personally I am looking forward to the point where I have the 700 Million and will buy the 99 supreme PR ql180+ mats that have been put in 'storage'.

I would really love to see their face when they come to collect their mats from storage and find that they have just a bucket load of dappers instead.

Once you have the following:

GH if in guild
Apartment
3xExcellent Packers
1xMount

and all the levels in crafting you ever want to get, dappers are just not going to get you anything.

Everything in the game is replacable, even the Unique items can be gained again when the event mobs spawn.