Karavan Vs Kami Vs Netrual

[vaquero1]

I have had to rewrite this many times to keep from the wrath of Cerest (A power nearly equal to Jena). But I just have to say as a VERY ACTIVE Matis player this is a bunch of hogwash.

I will give PF every kudo in the world for being fairly peaceful, but they are neither unbiased nor a simple group wanting to make friends. As the apparent "Extremist" Karavan guild, I'd be slacking to not chime in on this hooey.

PF in their passivism has made a note to show disdain to us so called extremists guilds on many occasions. ALL THE WHILE being one of the biggest pimp guilds in Matis. I am fairly sure their recruiting line isn't "I am sorry, but you will not be involved with the storyline in the game due to our beliefs". ALL the so called "moderate" guilds in Matis are the biggest pimps of new folks and then want to cry foul when the enemy smites them.

I am going to leave it as is for now... but DUDE, they want the prizes but not the penalty of being Karavan... Defend yourself, you appear to stand for something (If as you say you express it more). Don't associate with those that want rewards but not labels !

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I think this is the best post i have ever seen.

[sidusar]

I am going to leave it as is for now... but DUDE, they want the prizes but not the penalty of being Karavan... Defend yourself, you appear to stand for something (If as you say you express it more). Don't associate with those that want rewards but not labels !

I obviously failed to make my point clear. PF's statement, as I have seen it on these boards, is that they are neutral in the kami/karavan conflict and don't want to be involved in RP. My point was that this is impossible.
The whole conflict only takes place in RP. The Kami and the Karavan only exist in RP. If a guild is to be neutral in this conflict, then they must first acknowledge that there is a conflict, and thus they must be part of the RP. If on the other hand they are not part of the RP, then, as far as everyone involved in the conflict is concerned, they do not exist at all.

So if PF wants to be neutral, then they have no choice but to be considered part of the RP. This means that if some of their members side with the Karavan, they'll have to take the responsiblity and either kick these members out, force them into taking a neutral stance, or make the entire guild pro-karavan.
If PF wants to be kept out of the RP, then they acknowledge that their guild does not exist on the RP level. That means that, as a guild, they can't take action on the RP level either. Basicly this means you can't do anything inside the world of Atys, because that entire world only exists in RP. If a guild is really OOC only, it can only exist outside the world of Atys.
As far as I've heard, right now they are not doing either, thus they are not neutral nor OOC-only, and certainly not both.

[animd]

You made their point for them while trying to dispel it... no wonder your guild is confused ! It was NOT about the kitin, we manage to avoid other goo infected bosses throughout our travels in Atys.

THIS boss stood out because it was the guardian of a RELIC that the Karavan and Kami wanted. This had NOTHING to do with neutral whatsoever...

Classic example as I have stated before about why there is so much mistrust of the "Neutral" guilds... Not only did you jump on the winning team bandwagon, you later GOT A REWARD/TITLE by visiting the Karavan Commander at it's completion !

Get off the fence, or at least know what you are fighting for...

Point taken.

I was incorrect in my statement about the event. I took all my info from doing the event not the lore posted surrounding the event. My mistake.

I still stand by my statement of not wanting to be involved in a war between the factions. I have friends of all races and faiths. I am not saying that those who want to be involved cannot or should not, just that I do not. I am not trying to be anyones enemy dispite the fact that some wish to paint me as one. I am in no way preventing you from having fun and playing your way. So have fun and enjoy.

AnimD
Out Of Cavern

[vguerin]

[OOC]DO you think I dont consider some of CP friends and damned good players ???[/end OOC]

Scum is scum, folks that do not follow the Karavan ways are not worthy of our time. Why should we allow Kami guilds to reap the best materials from the lands of Atys ? THOSE mats are for Jena !

We will stand by our initial pact with CP to avoid attacking foragers of opposing factions... If they carry a "Kami Champion" type title, it will not be easy, and this is a very difficult pact to maintain as we abhor anyone not following the ways of Jena...

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[gddss]

The pvp areas are well thought out and setup.

Says you. Not everyone agrees with this.

As for the idea of a switch, I am also against that. If you are playing this game you should expect to be a part of rp. If you go into the roots, you expect Kinchers to try to get you. If you go in most of Matis you expect Gingos and Ragus to attack you. It should be no different just because it's another player.

Oh, the kinchers, taranchas, dogs and other mobs aren't enough? And why should people have to take a different route just because you feel like standing in their way when on a treck? Most of us didn't have to deal with this when we made our crossings, so why should others? Trecks are hard enough as is. RP is fine but shouldn't be pushed on people who don't want to especially when there are more than enough people who are willing to participate. There's nothing in the rules that says others have to play RP just because others want them to.

My suggestion to you is to have your harvesters guarded while in the pvp areas if you feel they are in danger. As I and others have stated guilds need to start to take responcibility for their actions. If you are sending your members into the roots, you should be responcible enough to send protection with them.

Not all of us are 'sent in' and are looking out for our guilds by equipping them so they CAN get into these areas later. And what's to take responsibilty for? People who are harvesting are not commiting any wrong doings and who made you king? Just because you or others state that people should do this or that doesn't mean they have to and I think it's despicable for anyone to try to force them to.

[gddss]

I personally don't have any problems with people role playing, I even think its interesting but not for me. I have tried to pay attention to the discussions and I see merit in the RP viewpoint. I even applaud those who are taking the time to do it, makes things interesting.

Now on to my particular Neutral veiwpoint. I am neutral in this and I personally do not want to be a part of this battle between factions. I think all Homins lives and time are valuable and their particular viewpoints should be respected and violence should not be forced upon them. It does not make sense to brand a whole race as against either Kami or Karavan (not trying to accuse people). This is despite what the lore says, people can change and do change with time. We are deciding the future of Atys and we can make it peacefull place or a violent place.

If there are those that take aggressive moves and force violence on others they should be punished, in a policing action, not as a war. I also think that there should be a witness and verification process before that person is punished.

I also think that the people and guilds that wish to remain neutral should be allowed to do so. I am part of a rather large guild and we are able to defend our own but there are many that do not have that luxury. Those that wish to remain neutral do not want to be pulled into this unwillingly.

I will do my best to promote peace and hope that others can come along side and do the same.

AnimD
Out Of Cavern

/applaud
I couldn't of said it better myself.

[lariva]

This game is PvP. It's a game. If I catch you off guard, and you're on the enemy team, you may have to defend yourself.

Trying to appeal to the fact that I'm a person isn't going to save you in game 8)

Is that to say that if I'm not off guard and on your enemies list I will not have to defend myself? I are PvPing against people that are off guard only ? J/K

[thexdane]

Point taken.

I was incorrect in my statement about the event. I took all my info from doing the event not the lore posted surrounding the event. My mistake.

I still stand by my statement of not wanting to be involved in a war between the factions. I have friends of all races and faiths. I am not saying that those who want to be involved cannot or should not, just that I do not. I am not trying to be anyones enemy dispite the fact that some wish to paint me as one. I am in no way preventing you from having fun and playing your way. So have fun and enjoy.

AnimD
Out Of Cavern

then i guess you and/or OoC will not be taking part in any of the events that go on in the game?

cause if you do then you ARE part of the conflict and you HAVE chosen a side

thing is with this battle you can't have your cake and eat it too

[gddss]

You made their point for them while trying to dispel it... no wonder your guild is confused ! It was NOT about the kitin, we manage to avoid other goo infected bosses throughout our travels in Atys.

THIS boss stood out because it was the guardian of a RELIC that the Karavan and Kami wanted. This had NOTHING to do with neutral whatsoever...

Classic example as I have stated before about why there is so much mistrust of the "Neutral" guilds... Not only did you jump on the winning team bandwagon, you later GOT A REWARD/TITLE by visiting the Karavan Commander at it's completion !

Get off the fence, or at least know what you are fighting for...

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Hmm kind of hard to jump on a winning team bandwagon when you don't know who's going to win.

[gddss]

then i guess you and/or OoC will not be taking part in any of the events that go on in the game?

cause if you do then you ARE part of the conflict and you HAVE chosen a side

thing is with this battle you can't have your cake and eat it too

Yes they and many others have taken a side, Atys side. Now I know that's kind of a hard concept for some people to swallow, but that doesn't change that not everyone thinks or views things the same. It simply adds another twist to our story and it's a shame that some kami/karavan people can't accept that.