Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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thanakar wrote:The RP'ers on this server need to understand that and respect that wish. They come here to chat with friends and play in the dirt or whatnot. If they wanted religious fightings and hatemongerings they could turn on the TV watch the news, but instead they come here to get away from that.
I disagree, when certain folks keep using non-RP forums to make their opinions they are bringing it into their game persona and by virtue of that, those they associate with.

I am not into the RP stuff much, except as it applies IG... and this game is absolutely about choosing a side or faction.

Raynes is a major PITA/Troll most times but is not always wrong... Just often :eek:

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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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thanakar wrote:Just becuase someone is playing this game and is in the world of Atys does not give you the right to force your preferred game style upon them. They are not looking for special status they just want you and your RP to leave them alone. They are paying customers too and you should respect their wishes. Many people who are in Ryzom are here to to be with friends and to play AND ENJOY a game and could care less about the RP elements that select individuals are trying to ram down their throats. The RP'ers on this server need to understand that and respect that wish. They come here to chat with friends and play in the dirt or whatnot. If they wanted religious fightings and hatemongerings they could turn on the TV watch the news, but instead they come here to get away from that.
If someone creates a chracter and signs on, they have to deal with all of the elements that make up that world. If someone signs on just to harvest does that mean they shouldn't have to deal with Kitin attacks? Of course not. So why shouldn't they have to deal with chracters in the game when they are near them? Because it's another player acting the part? That's hardly a good reason.

Don't think I am going to run around challanging everyone to a duel or sending private messages to people calling them names. Don't even think that I am going to go out of my way to interfeer with group activities. I won't do that. But if I see a member of PF for example, you can be sure that I will have a reaction to them in the around channel. They don't like it, just ignore me.

I also want to make it clear that it's not only PF that will be viewed like this, it's all guilds. Far to many guild have the position that if members do something that doesn't go over well with some players, they aren't responcible. But if they do good, they are a shining example. It's time that leaders and members take responcibility for the actions of the groups they belong to. Blacklist me, ignore me, shun me, do whatever you want, I'm willing to accept the concequences of my actions.
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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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vguerin wrote:I disagree, when certain folks keep using non-RP forums to make their opinions they are bringing it into their game persona and by virtue of that, those they associate with.

I am not into the RP stuff much, except as it applies IG... and this game is absolutely about choosing a side or faction.

Raynes is a major PITA/Troll most times but is not always wrong... Just often :eek:

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As I was typing up a responce something came out of my fingers that makes a very execellent point. Here is what I typed:

"To be honest this goes beyond rp. Sure the actions taken by people are rp."

As I was typing that it occured to my just how bogus the argument of people not wanting to rp in game is. The fact is that everytime they log in, everthing they do in game is rp. They might not talk like it's rp, they might not make an effort to play a part, but their actions are rp. You go kill some Green Seed, that is an rp action. You harvest some resources to make some goods to sell, that is rp. Everything they do has an effect on the game world and as long as that happens, they are involved in rp.

So if you go kill the Sacred Sap for example just to level. You can not possibly expect for me and other players not to react. You are attempting to change the game world. You are taking an action and and as such have no right to demand that people don't react.
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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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I agree. Seems absurd that anyone would think that playing a character in a game where they are casting acid spells or using a 2-handed sword to kill a creature called a ragus would not think they are role playing.

I agree with Raynes on this. Either ignore him and any others RPing up the factional differences or get a handle on your guilds and make them follow the guildlines laid out by the leadership.

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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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bandwgn wrote:I agree with Raynes on this. Either ignore him ....
Does Ignore work now? That is, Can we put him on the Ignore list and not hear him in Region chat?


Frankly, he's welcome to say/do as he wishes as long as he stays within the game races and doesn't harrass individuals [or at least continually harrass - the wedding interruption was damn near the legal definition of harrassment, but the "come to the arena and fight us" wasn't]. Perhaps a 3 taunt limit would be a gentleman's agreement?
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thanakar wrote:Many people who are in Ryzom are here to to be with friends and to play AND ENJOY a game and could care less about the RP elements that select individuals are trying to ram down their throats. The RP'ers on this server need to understand that and respect that wish. They come here to chat with friends and play in the dirt or whatnot. If they wanted religious fightings and hatemongerings they could turn on the TV watch the news, but instead they come here to get away from that.
Interesting concept here. Do RPers have the right to draw non-RPing people into their RP? I'm inclined to say that they do. The developers have designed the world of Atys to be a world full of religious fightings and hatemongerings. They decided that there would be four races all having grudges and prejudices against eachother. They decided there would be two factions fighting and hating eachother. Anyone roleplaying their character as being on one side of these conflicts is just as much part of the game as the mobs and npc's. If you walk into a pack of gingos, then you shouldn't complain when they attack and kill you. If you do missions for the Karavan, you shouldn't complain when the Kami and their followers hate you and attack you, whether these followers are PC's or NPC's. If you start your character out as a Matis, then you shouldn't complain when the Fyros dislike you, regardless of whether these Fyros are PC's or NPC's. All of that is just part of how the game is designed to be. And this applies to whole guilds just as it applies to single players.
uncus wrote:Does Ignore work now? That is, Can we put him on the Ignore list and not hear him in Region chat?
Doesn't it? I once put someone on my ignore list because his rambling in region chat annoyed me, and the second I did that he stopped talking in my region chat.
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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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uncus wrote:Does Ignore work now? That is, Can we put him on the Ignore list and not hear him in Region chat?


Frankly, he's welcome to say/do as he wishes as long as he stays within the game races and doesn't harrass individuals [or at least continually harrass - the wedding interruption was damn near the legal definition of harrassment, but the "come to the arena and fight us" wasn't]. Perhaps a 3 taunt limit would be a gentleman's agreement?
There is a very easy way to get me to shut up, don't respond.
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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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raynes wrote: ...

Lets take your idea that you are the head of PF the business. Some of your workers are going out and causing problems. How does it sound when you, the head of your business, says "My workers aren't my responcibility, they do what they want"? Or better yet, as a business you have been working with

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I really do own Pf as a busiuness filed in the state of Michigan with a few workers. That is my complaint here, don't polute the issue. I have owned several businesses, this is just one. We offer a variety of real world fan based products for a few different games. I am not talking "as if" it were a business, it is a business. I lord over my employees, always have, I am not a nice guy to work for, but these are guildmates, not employees and they have the right to choose to play as they will. Reality vs. Fantasy.

The game is fantasy, but not necessarily role playing. (as some of you assert) Is asteroids RP? I don't really own a space ship that blows up bits of rock coming at me. To call that RP is a bit of a stretch. SoR can be played without RP. RP is a valid option, but non-RP is too.

Zumwalt has expressly posted the intent of the guild, we are Karavan biased for purposes of doing missions etc. We do not (as a whole) RP Kami hatred. That is not what we are about. You want to hate us fine. We are here to play the game, not hate. Most of us get enough of that in real, maybe you should get out more, there is enough hate to go around. We accept that there will be consequences from being Karavan biased, we have never been able to use Kami respawns. That is game dynamics. There is a difference between game dynamics and RP. We all function by game dynamics. The programming code is the "laws" of the made up world of Atys. In the real world we can't fly or cast spells, in Atys we have other conditions. One of those is faction fame. PF has a negative faction fame with the Kami. We understand that as a game condition. Could we work hard to change this, of course, but we will not. If we did, we would only loose Karavan fame until that became a problem instead. As has been said before, no one, no guild is neutral. We say neutral to mean "we are open to all races and tolerant to all players".

I honestly don't see how to make this any more clear. You have made the descion to hate us, fine. That is a choice you have made. You want to RP that fine. Don't expect me to play along with you. There are some who love this style, and would really enjoy doing this with you, why do you persist in trying to get those of us who don't want to RP to play along?
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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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jivalax wrote: I honestly don't see how to make this any more clear. You have made the descion to hate us, fine. That is a choice you have made. You want to RP that fine. Don't expect me to play along with you. There are some who love this style, and would really enjoy doing this with you, why do you persist in trying to get those of us who don't want to RP to play along?
I'm sorry but the Pegasus Foundation guild is just that a guild. What you do in real life is a seperate issue.

As to why I persist and rp even when people don't like it or don't want to take part. It's simple really. You and your guild are part of the world in which Raynes the Zorai lives. When Raynes the Zorai comes across you he doesn't know of this other reality in which you have a business. There is no concept of parts of the world being a reality and others not. To him it's all a reality.

It's not only unfair but also unreasonable to expect me to remove him from that reality for your convience. Yes I log off, and yes I go afk. I also sometimes slip up and bring real world words into the game. But none of that takes the elements and objects of Atys and makes them polygons to him. A tree is always a tree on Atys. A tribe is allways a tribe. Other players are always homins to him, not other players.

I'm sorry you disagree with me. But as long as you have a character in game, you will be treated as part of the world by me.
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Re: Myth Buster about Alignement in Game

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jivalax wrote:why do you persist in trying to get those of us who don't want to RP to play along?

Here is a big problem Jivalax. You want to run along all yay-yay and ignore what this game was designed to do. Whatever. You're also trying to say that RPers shouldn't "drag" or "force" non-RPers to RP - while at the SAME time you, and every single NON-RPer that talks or acts out of character is FORCING RPers into an environment that is *NOT* part of the game world.

Non-RPers have a choice to ignore RPers and not respond, while on the flip side if an RPer walks by you and says something in character, and you respond out of character (perhaps Raynes says something about your neutrality and you respond with OOC particulars about why you think he's spewing crap), then you are 100% FORCING him out of RP. Now, I'm not saying that conversation has or ever will happen in game, it's simply the best picture I can paint of the situation.

Oh yeah, if one is born into a family of murderers and chooses to remain "neutral" (ie. not telling anybody, but still not killing anybody) then he is *not* neutral in any fashion - he can be charged with various punishments. Face it, your idea of neutrality is simply not able to hold up in fantasy or reality. I personally am not going to make it a point to chase you down and try to drag you into RP - but in my eyes, actions of guild members reflect on the guild as a whole. Not on the leader - but on the guild.

If I were you, I'd figure out what you want your guild to stand for - truthfully - then kick out the members that won't abide by the guild stance.

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