A Vision Fulfilled

[feshy]

Thirty seconds to fill my sack with kitin parts. 2 _HOURS_ to exchange tokens.

I had considered fighting my way to the harvesting / crafting camp to help out the supply side, but heard the same beurocratic token mess was there as well.

I will harvest for the war effort
I will craft for the war effort
I will FIGHT and DIE to protect homins from kittin
But I will NOT fill out twelve requisition and death forms (or a dozen mouse clicks) for every kittin I kill. Paperwork will NOT with this war!

Get the paper pushers out of there, make it less mouse clicks, and let us warriors / foragers / crafters do our jobs!

If this. . . this inane bean counting is the best that civilization has to offer, it can fall again for all I care. I'll go back to the refugee caravans -- maybe I didn't know if I'd see the next day, but I could be quite sure I wouldn't spend it filling out forms 1004a through 1331c2.

[phalanxe]

Thirty seconds to fill my sack with kitin parts. 2 _HOURS_ to exchange tokens.

I had considered fighting my way to the harvesting / crafting camp to help out the supply side, but heard the same beurocratic token mess was there as well.

I will harvest for the war effort
I will craft for the war effort
I will FIGHT and DIE to protect homins from kittin
But I will NOT fill out twelve requisition and death forms (or a dozen mouse clicks) for every kittin I kill. Paperwork will NOT with this war!

Get the paper pushers out of there, make it less mouse clicks, and let us warriors / foragers / crafters do our jobs!

If this. . . this inane bean counting is the best that civilization has to offer, it can fall again for all I care. I'll go back to the refugee caravans -- maybe I didn't know if I'd see the next day, but I could be quite sure I wouldn't spend it filling out forms 1004a through 1331c2.

Just out of curiosity, how would you rather have this work? I'm having a good time, and haven't bothered figuring out how tokens work yet, so I'm not in the same position. But if you think it wasn't done right... how could they improve it for next time? Suggestions?

~Alpinia

[aylwyne]

It does seem like the token/reward system could be streamlined a bit. Like maybe just have all of the rewards listed with the number of claw you need for each and just trade the claw directly for the reward.

I haven't done all aspects of the missions yet so I might be missing some reason why the tokens themselves are an important step but from what I have done and read, they just seem to be an intermediate step that's not really needed (except perhaps by the game mechanics).

[feshy]

Just out of curiosity, how would you rather have this work? I'm having a good time, and haven't bothered figuring out how tokens work yet, so I'm not in the same position. But if you think it wasn't done right... how could they improve it for next time? Suggestions?

~Alpinia

I'd be happy enough if I could turn in tokens / claws /etc a stack at a time (99) -- instead of FIVE at a time. Would speed things up 20 fold. It still wouldn't be a real easy or clean system -- having to see three different people, and click quite a few times would still be a bit of a hassle. But it would take minimal changes and would at least leave things workable. As is, it's just tourture to try to turn in loot or tokens.

Presumably, it's the same with the harvesting / crafting, but I haven't found the heart to try to face that paperwork again. Can anyone comment on that side of things?

[xenofur]

Just out of curiosity, how would you rather have this work? I'm having a good time, and haven't bothered figuring out how tokens work yet, so I'm not in the same position. But if you think it wasn't done right... how could they improve it for next time? Suggestions?

~Alpinia

ok, i'll describe to you the optimum way of getting 120 high tokens for a burning axe in fyros =)
first you strip down naked, leave absolutely nothing on your body, get a few friends to kill sime elite kirosta raiders and loot their 40 claws, do this 10-12 times, then you should be full, this should have lasted for about 15 minutes.
now go to the war master and do the following steps to exchange all your claws against common tokens(that is, after accepting the initial mission):
rightclick, tell her you got some trophies
click ok in the dialogue
rightclick, tell her you'll give her some trophies, a window will open up
click an empty field in that window(there are 8) and select one of your heaps of claws(there'll be a bunch of odd-sized ones cos of varying quality)
enter the number 5 and click ok two times, then you'll get 5 tokens for your 5 claws
rinse and repeat for about 80-100 times
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this part lasts for about 30-45 minutes, now comes the fun part, exchanging those into high tokens, you walk over to another npc and do the following steps:
rightclick, dialogue starts
tell him you want to exchange tokens
tell him you want to exchange those for high tokens
tell him that yes, you'll give him them now
rightclick, trade window opens, same as above, select empty field and then select a heap of the common tokens
enter the number 10 and click ok two times, then you'll get 1 high token for your 10 common tokens, interestingly the high ones look exactly the same as common ones
now complete the mission by clicking finish in your journal
rinse and repeat for about 40-50 times
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this takes about 1 hour upto 1.5 hours
to the above procedures there's two variations,
1. you click take all each time after you got the exchange item, adding one full click to each exchange
2. you leave the temp window open until the end on both procedures, saving about 120-150 clicks, but at the same time take the risk that some idiot who managed to aggro a frahar runs right into the hugest mass of homins he sees, upon which the frahar decides to feed on you, which you don't notice since you spent the last hour with very repetetive clicking and lose all the tokens you had in the temp window
if you managed to successfully complete this you'll have an almost empty inventory again and can call your friends again to kill some more kitins which you can loot, afterwards you convert them again, and call your friends once more to get one last full inventory which you convert until you have 120 high tokens, these you take to the recruiting officer, where you can enjoy a relatively short dialogue, where you give him the 120 high tokens in exchange for a very fine burning axe with properties that no average homin could create
now let's assume you needed 15 minutes for hunting and 1:45 for exchanging per session, this means to get this axe you spent a grand total of 45 minutes defending your home land against the kitin plague and 4:15 hours jumping through the bureaucratic hoops to get a reward(not to mention the health risk to your wrists)

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how to fix this? simple.
1st npc:
option 1: a script that simply counts the number of claws you hand over and returns the same exact number of common tokens
option 2: 3 dialogue options, exchange 1 claw for one token, exchange 10 claws for 10 tokens, exchange 100 claws for 100 tokens

2nd npc:
option 1: a script that simply counts the number of common tokens you hand over and returns the number of common tokens divided by 10 in high tokens
option 2: 3 dialogue options, exchange 10 common tokens for one high token, 100 common tokens for 10 high tokens, 400 common tokens for 40 high tokens

or just skip the common token vs high token stuff and use just tokens

also they should remove the 40 claw drop on the elite kirosta, it's ridiculous

[grandma]

an image documentary of the matis side of this raid:

http://ryzom.vx3lan.com/ryzom/images/gallery/index.php?nav=%3E2005%2001%2008%20War%20Camp%20Raid

this image documentary doesn't contain any repeat steps, and was taken back to back as i came up to the steps. Notice how the game went from night time to daytime during the process.

[Edit: aw dang...the post above mine has the steps in text form, hehe...beat me to it!]

[xenofur]

well, your post was quite interesting as well, and i have to thank you for it since it allowed me to confirm my suspicions that the english texts were indeed of better quality than the german ones, sadly we couldn't play with english texts since the community servers only got their respective language installed
and i have to ask what software your gallery uses, it looks nice =)

[xcomvic]

an image documentary of the matis side of this raid:

http://ryzom.vx3lan.com/ryzom/images/gallery/index.php?nav=%3E2005%2001%2008%20War%20Camp%20Raid

this image documentary doesn't contain any repeat steps, and was taken back to back as i came up to the steps. Notice how the game went from night time to daytime during the process.

[Edit: aw dang...the post above mine has the steps in text form, hehe...beat me to it!]

i was wondering when you were gonna get on and try that....

[grandma]

it's an open source gallery i found. forgot who wrote it, but i've modified it a bit. done in php.

if it's stupid but it works...it's not stupid :0)

[joshua01]

Seems like alot of work for such little gain...