Tasks, Content. I'm fustrated. Rant.

[josephm]

The fact that we do the same missions over and over until we get a 'rite' to an encyclopedia once we find the right random one, is one of the worst mission concepts I have ever encountered.

I've given this a lot of thuoght, and I gave Nevrax a lot of patience, but I'm pretty sour at the implementation how Missions work and how they relate to fame.

Let me start by saying that I get nothing beisides fame and pitiful amounts of dapper running missions in CoI. Now, had encyclopedias been encountered from the beginning, I'd have had more fun doing missions...and the end result would have been the same. People are now repeating tasks they've done before and there's still no feeling of growth.

Lets say I've got all my entries done for CoI. Basically, I'm done with CoI. There's no more left. I don't want anything to do with it. CoI is no longer my home. I'm out in maiden grove...where I can't find a spawn point or tp (possible change with outposts..if my guild decides to control one there), and then I move to haven of purity, mull/knot, void, pr, nexus....after all of the repetitive gameplay, over half for which I am to high level for and there is practically no reward, what then? I doubt it would take me more than a year and half to do all the Zorai missions and most of pr missions.

Am I expected to go to tryker and start doing their low level fair haven missions? is the 8 year plan for me to go over the game with the same character over and over and over again with no rewards aside from pvp and occaisional events?

I'm not even worried about 8 years though. I'm more worried about five months down the line. I hate doing tasks right now. I hate doing them soooo much. There's no sense of purpose

There would be of course, if the missions didn't have a 'cap' on how high their level is. For example, I goto corpral blah after I killed two kips for him. Why does he reassign me two little kips to kill when he knows my skills would be much useful elsewhere? instead the same repetitive tasks are given.

It's like he had a meeting with Brithlem and found out that he should have absolutely no faith in my abilities. He shouldn't know that though because he didn't have a meeting with B. All he knows is that I killed two kips for him.

Anyways, I really don't like running missions right now. I especially without preservative/construction material/food tracking. I'll stick around for quite a while I bet. Play the death out of PvP and stupid grinding that's actually more fun than current content. We'll all leave one day. But I don't want to find myself asking 'how fun was it...really?" , or saying "I just played it for something to do while I waited for the next game".

I'm not trying to post a flame thread, I'm just wondering if anyone feels the same way I do. That missions, even with current and ucoming implementation are ....stale?

Specific complaint and suggestion about the system.

Specific entries for data regarding harvesting: I think they shuold be based at certain levels of fame, not on some silly obscure mission when THERE IS NO TRACKING. After you do so much for the people they will teach you something. I mean what are we afraid of for not having tracking? that harvesters will level their tasks faster than the tanks will? at lower levels that's not possible with the small tracking and lack of prospect abilities. And higher level combatants will OWN the areas mobs for super fast entries anyways.

My suggestion is that perhaps generic stanzas and entries be given at generic fame levels. For example 40 Zorai/Tryker etc. fame you get the option to learn stanza that cost normal SP for things like prospecting food/preservatives etc.

Sorry for the rant. I know the patch is coming. I just feel that given the static task module, even adding rites and more entries would be just as boring.

[xenofur]

http://ryzom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=99058&postcount=9 and this: http://ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8625
the current encyclopedia is nothing more than an easter egg and not the full implementation

next a little report from the ats, there it works like this: you go to an npc who is entitled to give out rites, on the ats it was the guard chief
then you tell him you want to undertake a certain rite, this will give you an encyclopedia page with the small bubbles you need to fulfil, a name next to each bubble(iirc the job of that npc too) and the mission description
you can also see the name of the mission that will end the rite and fill the big bubble, and from the guard chief said i had to fulfill the smaller bubbles and then get the quest for the big bubble from him

[josephm]

Ok, so what you're saying is that I'll take a rite...and then he'll give me the missions? the way it's implemented now, you do the mission and you get the small bubble. wow ok Thanks a lot Xeno! that makes me feel sooooooo much better. I was afraid of another 'max all skills randomly to get Jedi status' debacle!

[josephm]

BTW Cerest, if you run accross this you can close it in case people start responding to the first post Xeno gave plenty of satisfaction with answer!

[xenofur]

since your PMs aren't activated: http://www.penseurs.org/images/ryzom/rite/rite1.jpg
http://www.penseurs.org/images/ryzom/rite/rite2.jpg
http://www.penseurs.org/images/ryzom/rite/rite5.jpg
http://www.penseurs.org/images/ryzom/rite/rite6.jpg

tho i don't have a clue what you meant with that jedi comment oO

[josephm]

In Star Wars Galaxies you had to (dunno if changed) level up and get these 'cubes' once your profession was maxed. You needed four of the correct kind to get Jedi status. The problem was that they were utterly random. So people leveled countless hours only to find they leveled in the wrong thing. The way encyclopedias have been implemented it's kind of the same thing (right now anyways). And that's what spawned my fear!

[xenofur]

i see, even so it would have been different, sice from what i have seen, each rite gives you a unique ability, so there wouldn't have been wasted effort

[josephm]

Yeah I meant the randomness and time wasted. For example, I get a jarving entry for mektoub skulls...ok fine I know they'll fix the randomness.

But I didn't want to kill 4 jarving, find no bubble. Bring Jarving mats and get a small bubble, then possible have to kill 4 jarving again for next bubble...find no bubble and have to run all jarving missions to get the second bubble, then explore them all again and see whether or not the original corporal who gave the 4 jarving quest gave the third jarving bubble or not. There's a ton of Jarving missions out there from assorted task masters.

Essentially the end result would be something nice, but the grind to get there? it'd be terrible....of course it's not that way thank Kami.

edit:
btw thanks for those awsome screens. I don't speak french but I get the gist!

[xcomvic]

if we would be able to have access to ATS some of these threads would never exist

[tinpony]

Yeah I meant the randomness and time wasted. For example, I get a jarving entry for mektoub skulls...ok fine I know they'll fix the randomness.

But I didn't want to kill 4 jarving, find no bubble. Bring Jarving mats and get a small bubble, then possible have to kill 4 jarving again for next bubble...find no bubble and have to run all jarving missions to get the second bubble, then explore them all again and see whether or not the original corporal who gave the 4 jarving quest gave the third jarving bubble or not. There's a ton of Jarving missions out there from assorted task masters.

Essentially the end result would be something nice, but the grind to get there? it'd be terrible....of course it's not that way thank Kami.

edit:
btw thanks for those awsome screens. I don't speak french but I get the gist!

To be honest, after spending a day doing missions, I wish you could run them once and then they were gone for good. I got four encyclopedia bubbles, but there's too many to track which ones I've done and not done.

T.