Ryzom

From the patch notes:
"When you enter a PvP area, and choose a faction (Kami or Karavan for instance), your fame with the faction you haven't choose will decrease to -1 if the fame of the faction you chose was greater than 0, or to one point lesser than the fame of the faction you chose if this one was already less than 0."

Why should anyone be able to choose a faction then? Their actions within the game has decided what side they should take. What is stopping me from going into the roots today and saying that I want to fight on the Kami side, then the next day go into the roots and choose to fight on the Karavan side?

To me this is just another example of how worthless the devs view the fame system. Time and time again they have shown that it's this system they have in place that makes no difference how much you work or don't work on it. They have demonstrated that you will be able to change the way the game groups view you with the flick of a switch. They have demonstrated that any work that you put into getting certain fame levels doesn't make that noticible difference in gameplay (Vendor prices don't vary that much, you can still buy teleport tickets if groups hate you, you can still walk into groups camps if they hate you, you get treated the same no matter what you fame looks like, and so on). And now for PVP it doen't matter what you character normally stands for, you can just pick whatever you want.

This game is suppose to be story heavy. One of the biggest selling points is that the player choices in game will make a huge difference in gameplay. Yet that seems anything but true. So I am once again left to ask the question..

WTF is the point of a fame system and earning (or loosing) fame if nothing is ever decided by it?????

raynes wrote:One of the biggest selling points is that the player choices in game will make a huge difference in gameplay. Yet that seems anything but true.

Sometimes I think the devs sold the game based on that promise, yet even they don't have an idea of how player actions will affect the story

Continueing to think about the ability to choose faction and it just becomes more and more absurd. Lets say I have been doing missions for the Kami and have a really high fame rating with them. I enter a PvP area and pick Karavan. Is the Karavan really going to take someone who minutes prior loved the Kami? Or lets suppose for the past 10 events I have been a dedicated follower of the Karavan, I can just enter a PvP area and all of a sudden the Kami love me???

This buisness of being able to pick a side like that just took any realism, any roleplay ability, and any value story content mightof had and flushed it.

oh hell, can't you people read? you choose faction when entering an event-based FvF area, NOT in the roots

xenofur wrote:oh hell, can't you people read? you choose faction when entering an event-based FvF area, NOT in the roots

Ok.. even if that is the case, why should you be able to choose at that time? Why isn't it based upon the fame standings you have earned?

the initial choosing is just telling the engine: i fight on their side
if they trusts you or not is a totally different matter, you're just saying "i'll fight with you", that doesn't mean they have to heal you, admit you into their teams or even tell you what they're gonna doo
and the fame change just means that the other side sees your decision and looses trust in you

raynes wrote:Ok.. even if that is the case, why should you be able to choose at that time? Why isn't it based upon the fame standings you have earned?

So you can change sides, or even spy or be a double agent.
You know, cool stuff.

xenofur wrote:the initial choosing is just telling the engine: i fight on their side
if they trusts you or not is a totally different matter, you're just saying "i'll fight with you", that doesn't mean they have to heal you, admit you into their teams or even tell you what they're gonna doo
and the fame change just means that the other side sees your decision and looses trust in you

That is my problem, why should anyone have the ability to tell the game engine what side they choose? Why doesn't the game take the number you have and make the choice for you? What this comes down to is that you can play the game normally as a follower of one side, yet for anything that matters (like events) you can do something totally opposite of what you normally do. And again what is the point of earning fame if it doesn't make the least bit of diference. The way the game is now your normal everyday play and event play are two seperate things. They should not be.

raynes wrote:you can still walk into groups camps if they hate you, you get treated the same no matter what you fame looks like, and so on).

I agree with you except on this point. I cannot walk into several camps without being attacked on sight, this being a direct result of my fame with that faction.

Before they removed the ability to sell to local suppliers fame heavily influenced buying and selling prices for that particular faction. I was able to buy q 50 mats from Matis vendors at over 100 dapper less per mats than individuals with low fame. Before patch one due to my high fame I was able to sell to the Greenseed supplier for max profits due to high fame. These mobs STILL have a preferred item list for buying even though that ability was taken away over a month ago. If they have indeed fixed the problem with suppliers with negative fame still selling to you then please, return this ability to the players who have worked hard in getting fame up with certain factions. Recent patches have wiped out most of these advantages that players had (not to mention the total nerfing of crafting payouts when doing missions).

Fame should play a more integral role in our actions.

xenofur wrote:the initial choosing is just telling the engine: i fight on their side
if they trusts you or not is a totally different matter, you're just saying "i'll fight with you", that doesn't mean they have to heal you, admit you into their teams or even tell you what they're gonna doo
and the fame change just means that the other side sees your decision and looses trust in you

The point is you should NOT be able to choose sides. Your day to day actions determine that for you. Its not something you should be able to determine on a whim.