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Last night I received a message warning that people using the pathing exploit would be subject to discipline. I don't know what the pathing exploit is, though. Do I need to worry about doing it accidently?

bcharles wrote:Last night I received a message warning that people using the pathing exploit would be subject to discipline. I don't know what the pathing exploit is, though. Do I need to worry about doing it accidently?

Plain and simple explanation of a pathing exploit. If a mob can't get to you but you can get to it, or kill it, then that is a pathing exploit and a no no.

On a similar note, last night we were trying to get to Tryker from Matis, we were passing through the lake area, when we were attacked by honches.

We killed it on shore and got a message:

The way that you killed the "insert named of mob here" was inappropriate, therefore you got no experience.

There was more, I don't have the exact verbage, but the bottom line is that we did nothing wrong and were under attack by 5 different creatures at the same time when we got this warning.

Should be now be expecting random bannings while playing the game because of this?

Just trying to understand that if we play the game we get banned?
I know that this is new to the system and is subject to problems, but the problem is, it was not tested, and now we as the players are suffering.

Can we ban Cutters for killing us in 1 swing because it wasn't appropriate way to kill us?

On a side note, you will get the

Last night I received a message warning that people using the pathing exploit would be subject to discipline. I don't know what the pathing exploit is, though. Do I need to worry about doing it accidently?

Issue if the creature in question just 'bumps' into a tree, a bush, a root, or anything that makes it change its path, well not consistantly, but if you are within 5m of an object and for any reason the mob 'bounces' off of it, you can get the warning, and thus if they decided to 'auto ban' will probably nuke alot of us from the game.

Just fyi on observations I have personally made, others could see things differently than I do.

So, if you plan on fighting, do it in the open, if a mob attacks you and 'bounces' off ANYTHING, just die, who cares if you can beat it, take the DP if you don't want to deal with diciplinary action until they fix this.

I think that if you enter water during a fight you don't receive experience, Zum. I assume this is a different thing.

No mad, we fought it ON LAND, we didnt' enter the water during the fight, we just fought it next to the waters edge, because that is where it attacked us, there is more than just me in the group at the time this occured.

zumwalt wrote:So, if you plan on fighting, do it in the open, if a mob attacks you and 'bounces' off ANYTHING, just die, who cares if you can beat it, take the DP if you don't want to deal with diciplinary action until they fix this.

This is unacceptable. If they want to start banning people for something they have not fixed and is a situation not intentionally being taken advantage of by the players, then there are lots of other games people can play.

OKAY. So, I want to clear this up. What constitutes abusing the pathing system?

There is a cliff that is near Lakenisle in Aedean Aqueous, which you can stand on and look at creatures over a small amount of water that are on Lakenisle. If you are using magic, you can nuke them from the cliff, and all they do is run around in a stupid fashion. Is this exploiting?

If I was to attack a creature from behind several trees, while standing in a giant herd of messab, and the creature gets confused and takes a while to get to me, am I expoiting?

I just want to make sure about things like these... I'd tend to think of the first one as more of an exploit because there is no way the mob can reach you, but as for using flora and fauna to create "barricades", I see that more as being stragegic.

To me, an exploit is allowing a creature to run 3x as fast as any player at any speed the player can run, this is a creature exploiting skills.

Allowing an npc to have a gun that shoots 500 - 1000m away and kill you (for example Siblings of the Weed can shoot you from as far away as 500m, I tested this)

A npc asleep on the ground, able to spot you 50m away with its eyes closed.

Those are examples of exploits.

A few player examples:

Being able to shoot a creature that can't find a way to get to you.
Jumping on land, shooting a creature with magic, when it reaches you, you jump in water until it moves away, then jump out and hit it again with magic, this is exploit.

Those are the only 2 player exploits that exists in the game.

Rule #1, the creature you are attacking must have a clear and concise path to get to you.

Rule #2, you may not jump in and ouf of water until you kill the creature for exp.

IF the creature has a clear path to get to you and the game engine is incapible of choosing that path, its the developers fault, not the players.

IF the creature is in an area that is unaccesable route to you, and you are allowed to target and kill it, this is a developer issue and the developres need to consider this.

Since it is a game, its there rules we follow.

In all games with water, the creatures can swim across and attack you, and you can attack them in the water, until they fix this in Ryzom, the distance battles will always be considered exploits.

Hello,

Ok, before everyone panics and decides to start throwing their own theories of how this would be handled into the policy feeding frenzy, I will tell you what happens.

There are situations where you may run into the incorrect pathing message, and this can happen when you really didn't realize it was a problem. We are not out there looking for people accidently bumping into a pathing issue. If you are exploiting, you know you are exploiting and we know it as well.

There is no need to panic if it was something that was obviously an accident. But, do not start complaining about that accident that happened with the same circumstances 50 times within an hour and think we weren't or aren't aware of the situation.

In the instance of a group getting the message while fighting near the water. I am thinking one of the group members may have accidently walked into the waterline while fighting. This could cause that to happen.

Bottom line; if you are exploiting, you know it. There is no need to panic for any other reason.