Ryzom

When you're done with a node, your focus returns to whatever it was when you started. If you self-heal focus while harvesting, the self heal is wasted, because your focus will go back to what it was when you started.

Suggestion: If you self heal say 400 focus while harvesting, then when you're done with that node, have the game return you to (focus when starting + 400).

Yes, I've noticed that the recovery of focus does not take into account any of the regeneration that happens while extracting. I also feel it should take this into account.

This has been the case for a long time now. Instant focus recovery after completing harvesting of a foraged source will not return to you the amount of focus used whilst harvesting that particular node. Instead it will return your focus to the state it was in when you began the extraction. This can be good and bad.

Good in that you can begin extraction, finish extraction with enough focus to prospect another source, your focus is returned to it's original state prior to extraction when the first source expires and you can immediately move on to extracting from the next source. Ofcourse this would be exploiting a known bug (only extraction actions are supposed to be taken into account in focus instant regen) and I would not encourage anyone to do such.

Bad in that yes, focus regen and instant focus self-heal occurring during the extraction process are not taken into account and will not be restored to you once the source expires.

Solution: Always begin extraction with full focus. Prospect your source, sit down for a moment to regen, then begin the extraction process with full focus every time. This way regardless of whatever your regen, or if you decide to use focus self-heal you will always have full focus restoration once the source expires.

Ofcourse the bug here is that focus used during the extraction process is not restored as was originally announced in the patch initialising such changes some time ago. The restoration of the focus bar to it's original state whilst commencing the extraction process is much different to the restoration of xxxx amount of focus consumed using extraction skills. Supposedly only extraction skills are to be taken into account with the instant focus regen. However, as afore mentioned, the focus consumed is not what is restored, it is the status of your focus which is restored. So you could begin an extraction action, halt, prospect 50 more sources for the people around you, then when the source you began extraction on expires, the instant focus restoration will restore all the focus used in prospecting as well as the tiny bit used in extraction. Allowing you to continue without pause.

I noticed this too, if you use an EXPENSIVE prospecting action, you NEVER get that focus back without resting or healing. I also noticed that if you are grouped and extract the node ANOTHER forager prospected, you do NOT get the extraction focus back...not sure if that bug was fixed.

I got a bit disgusted and haven't foraged other than to work off travel DP personally. I feel that foraging has been nerfed, it is more work that I ever thought it would be. Not the finding the spot and extracting, not the explosions and gassings, but the GETTING through the agro mobs to the spot, and defending yourself against mobs HIGHER in level than the node you are harvesting.

I remember reading that a NON aggressive line of work WOULD be possible in this game...whatever became of that? Plus if PVP is NON concentual ANYWHERE...peaceful work and cooperation is kinda out the window...isn't it?

lyrah68 wrote:I remember reading that a NON aggressive line of work WOULD be possible in this game...whatever became of that?

Granted some area can be hard to get to than others. But I never fight while harvesting (at most I flee ), mostly because I have "harvest armour" on.
The only fighting I did, was on the island to gain some quick HP and get a fell of the creatures, and when doing some missions. Otherwise the closest I get is as a healer.

Whoops, did I go off topic here?

lyrah68 wrote:I noticed this too, if you use an EXPENSIVE prospecting action, you NEVER get that focus back without resting or healing.

A solo harvester need not use a really expensive prospection.

I think, like the rest of this game is shaping up to be, this is an attempt to encourage grouping even for foraging. A really good extraction plan will burn almost all your focus ( unless you have some really uber gear ); that is why someone else should be prospecting for you. Likewise to get the most out of that extraction, a care plan will need to be applied; a dedicated care planer will likewise burn all their focus to help you extract. The less people you have, the more "toned down" your plans will get to maximize focus usage.

lyrah68 wrote:I also noticed that if you are grouped and extract the node ANOTHER forager prospected, you do NOT get the extraction focus back...not sure if that bug was fixed.

Fixed.

I prospect 4 nodes (the higher the multisource stanza the longer they stay active waiting to be extracted on), use 300 focus selfheal to return focus to max (if you are prospecting with higher than a -400 credit then you are probably high enough lvl to increase the wait 10 seconds without worry ), extract a node, extract a second node (yup it's still there because of multisource 3), and repeat. By the time i finish extracting both nodes and prospect again my selfheal is ready. I've been doing this since Q100 and now still at q150.

Group Harvesting? With one extractor and one careplanner, I've noticed less mats per person and less xp per person. 2 solo using all gentle with terrain specs can get more xp and more mats in the same time. The only use for grouping i can see is powerleveling.

syneris wrote:The only use for grouping i can see is powerleveling.

You can PL in this game?!?!?! WTH?!!? Hmpph! Teach me please!

xcomvic wrote:You can PL in this game?!?!?! WTH?!!? Hmpph! Teach me please!

Couple ways for foragers to do it. (Must be grouped with all involved)
1) Careplan for someone who can pull higher quality then your level by i'd say atleast 30. This is slower but yields good xp while reducing the others persons xp some (let them prospect ;P)
2) Get the Terrain Prospect Specialization (increase in rate = many more mats) of the area you will be powerleveling and the highest bonus time available. Gather as many people as you think you can handle prospecting for that are i'd say atleast 50 levels higher than you in that terrain. Prospect sources for them, sit to regen focus while they extract, reap in the xp!

syneris wrote:Group Harvesting? With one extractor and one careplanner, I've noticed less mats per person and less xp per person. 2 solo using all gentle with terrain specs can get more xp and more mats in the same time. The only use for grouping i can see is powerleveling.

I've found similar results with group harvesting... to be honest it's pretty painful leveling harvesting these days since you will only get 1200-1700 or so on average. Last night I got just short of 5 levels (125-129.25) in a couple hours of very good hunting with a partner, doing that with harvesting would take vastly more time without a situation such as the earlier mentioned "sure us 8 folks will happily give up some of our exp in order to power level you".

In addition, the QL matters far far too much in the exp calculation. I only need QL X mats, but in order to get more than about a hundred exp I need to harvest my highest QL mats.